Help /w Erectile Dysfunction

[Rippletoad]

Short Version:
Did a steroid cycle consisting of Test, Tren, and T3. Issues maintaining erections began during the cycle. I tried controlling prolaction and estrogren to no avail. Cialis and Viagra worked for erection quality and frequency, but not for erection maintenance. I ran post cycle therapy and the issues persisted. Two months after post cycle therapy, the issues persist. Blood work at the bottom.

Long Version:
My problems started about six months ago with the beginning of a anabolic steroid cycle consisting of testosterone (250mg/wk), T3(~100mcg/day), and trenbolone (400mg/wk). The main issue, that still persists, is mostly maintaining erections during penetration. The quality has become inconsistent but, more importantly, my erection will begin to go down after just a few minutes of sexual intercourse. I didn't have any of these issues pre-cycle. The issues began almost immediately after starting the cycle. About two weeks into the cycle is when I first noticed because that is when I got together with my current girlfriend. It may be of note that we had had sex before the cycle with no issues whatsoever.

At first, I assumed the ED was some sort of side effect from elevated estrogen or prolactin (from the testosterone or trenbolone, respectively). After getting E2 in range using Arimidex and taking prolactin to undetectable levels with Cabergoline, the problems persisted. I began taking Cialis, but beyond improving erection quality, the issue with maintaining erections still persisted. To be clear, I was almost always able to achieve an erection but it would go down immediately or very soon after penetration. At this point, I decided it would be best to abort the cycle and begin post cycle therapy.

I stopped taking T3 and Trenbolone for about three weeks before I stopped taking Testosterone (which I lowered to 125mg/wk) in order to avoid having multiple systems recovering at the same time. In the first few days after I had stopped taking T3, my symptoms subsided. That is, I was able to have a normal erection with no issues whatsoever. However, the symptoms soon returned after those ~2-3 days.

In any case, I waited for about a week and began post cycle therapy. The protocol was 2000iu of HCG every other day for 20 days, 30 days of Clomid at 70mg/day, and 45 days of Nolvadex at 40mg/day. The issues intensified during PCT and, at times, I was no longer even able to achieve an erection. Erection quality was massively decreased as well. Cialis and Viagra did not help much at all during this period.

Fast forward to about after I completed PCT, I was now able to achieve erections with some difficulty, but the problem with maintenance persisted. Additionally, the quality was far lower than when on cycle or before I started the cycle. Fast forward another four weeks after PCT and I have an easier time achieving erections, but sex drive is still almost non-existent compared to what it was and I still cannot maintain an erection for longer than a few minutes during intercourse. Additionally, Cialis and/or Viagra now certainly help with erection quality, but they now tend to cause premature ejaculation (an issue I've never ever had in the past).

So, as you can tell, things are a mess and I'm really a loss here. Blood work attached below. Any ideas what is wrong?

 

[Megatron28]

When was your blood work posted below done? I didn't see prolactin on there. What did it come in at?


You sound like you have a classic estradiol/prolactin problem. Going soft during intercourse.

Did you run blood work during your cycle -- before and after problems developed? It would be helpful to see them.

How old are you? Stats?

What is your blood pressure averaging?

Was this your first cycle?

What did pre-cycle TT come in at? Yours isn't hypogonadal but it is on the low side of the average range. Your E2 looks like it is low as a result of your lowish TT.

 

[Rippletoad]

1) The blood work posted was from just a few days ago and approximately 6-7 weeks after finishing PCT. Unfortunately, I didn't get prolactin.

2) I'm in my mid-twenties, 5'5", and 180lbs.

3) I can't remember what my blood pressure was, but I last had it checked six weeks ago (right about the time I was finishing PCT). This was part of a regular check-up at the doc and the numbers didn't cause them to pause or mention anything. I usually tend towards the low side of the spectrum. I don't take any prescription medications for blood pressure, depression, etc. No prescriptions whatsoever.

4) This wasn't my first cycle. I've done two test only cycles before and did not have problems. I have also used T3 (albeit at lower doses) before. Never used Tren before.

5) Unfortunately, I didn't do pre-cycle bloods this time. Last time I did bloods off-cycle, I was also in the 400s.


Thanks for the reply.

 

[Black Beard]

5'5 180 lbs, your either jacked or pretty fat. We need to know which.



What happened is you got tren dick which makes your noodle limp, then you went to PCT which itself can cause erection problems while your hormones are still crashed/you are taking estrogenic/anti estrogenic drugs like nolva/clomid.


Is that blood work from after your PCT or before?


Do you have blood work from before? Your pre-cycle testosterone may have been 700-900 ng/dL or the same. We need more information, but most likely this will resolve itself once your body achieves homeostasis.


There's no way a short run of tren is going to permanently shutdown your cock.

 

[Black Beard]

You came to the right place boya. Also, start taking vitamin D3 @ 5,000 IUs with a fatty meal every day. Your levels are bad and they can affect mood, energy and hormone levels. Skeletal health is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to vitamin D.

 

[Megatron28]

1) The blood work posted was from just a few days ago and approximately 6-7 weeks after finishing PCT. Unfortunately, I didn't get prolactin.

2) I'm in my mid-twenties, 5'5", and 180lbs.

3) I can't remember what my blood pressure was, but I last had it checked six weeks ago (right about the time I was finishing PCT). This was part of a regular check-up at the doc and the numbers didn't cause them to pause or mention anything. I usually tend towards the low side of the spectrum. I don't take any prescription medications for blood pressure, depression, etc. No prescriptions whatsoever.

4) This wasn't my first cycle. I've done two test only cycles before and did not have problems. I have also used T3 (albeit at lower doses) before. Never used Tren before.

5) Unfortunately, I didn't do pre-cycle bloods this time. Last time I did bloods off-cycle, I was also in the 400s.


Thanks for the reply.

You may need to run PCT again. Low 400's is not good. You should be closer to 600. And your E2 is too low as a result.

Like black beard said, we need your stats.

If you normally have low BP, and take cialis/Viagra your BP nay be dropping too low to sustain an erection.

So did you run blood work during your cycle?

I would recommend checking prolactin.

 

[oldmusclemike]

WTF is mid twenties? you don't know how old you are ? Really by that reply I guess you are two young. I mean you give us you height as in 5'5" why didn't you just say my height is in the mid 5' . Are you a troll or for real.
Complete stats:
age
ht
wt
BF% ... I mean at 5'-5" and 180lbs tells me you are fat.
History of training... is it somewhere between 2-6 years.
What and how many cycles,,, or is it , well I've done somewhere between 2-5 or is it 2,or 3,or 4
You could also tell us your BF% is between 10-20,%

 

[Roush]

WTF is mid twenties? you don't know how old you are ? Really by that reply I guess you are two young. I mean you give us you height as in 5'5" why didn't you just say my height is in the mid 5' .

Lol . yeah he gives his exact height to the inch, and exact weight to the pound , but his age is a range . thats funny

 

[Rippletoad]

Thanks for the replies everyone.

Currently on 10,000iu of Vit D3 daily. The plan is to continue with that dose for eight weeks, retest, reassess, and probably just move to a maintenance dose. I have fairly dark skin and live in a cold climate so the issues with D3 are probably chronic.

You may need to run PCT again. Low 400's is not good. You should be closer to 600. And your E2 is too low as a result.

Would this advice still hold even if I'm normally in the 400s off-cycle?

Like black beard said, we need your stats.

Age: 25, Height: ~5'6", Weight: ~180lbs, BF%: ~18%

EXACT Stats for the rest of y'all:
Age: 25 years, 10 months, 2 weeks
Height: 168.5cm
Weight: 81kg, ~178.5lbs
Waist: 34" (measured at belly button with tape measure)
I was 10lbs lighter and 2" smaller at the waist before PCT.

If you normally have low BP, and take cialis/Viagra your BP nay be dropping too low to sustain an erection.

Tested at 130/80 today. That's above the hypotensive range, no?

So did you run blood work during your cycle?

Yes, twice. The first time was to check elevated e2 (which was elevated) and prolactin (which wasn't). The second test was done several weeks after increasing arimidex and prolactin. I got estrogen into the 20s and prolactin was undetectable on the second test. I was still experiencing issues at this point so I decided to give up on the cycle because I simply couldn't figure out what was going on.

I would recommend checking prolactin.

I'll have it done in a few days after I get paid.



I appreciate the help. I suppose the smartest course of action would be to correct the Vit D3 insufficiency and see if that results in better Total T and E2 levels? Of course, it is difficult to be patient with ED when you're in a relationship but I'm not in a rush to do anything stupid.

 

[Milton]

Short Version:
Did a steroid cycle consisting of Test, Tren, and T3. Issues maintaining erections began during the cycle. I tried controlling prolaction and estrogren to no avail. Cialis and Viagra worked for erection quality and frequency, but not for erection maintenance. I ran post cycle therapy and the issues persisted. Two months after post cycle therapy, the issues persist. Blood work at the bottom.

Long Version:
My problems started about six months ago with the beginning of a anabolic steroid cycle consisting of testosterone (250mg/wk), T3(~100mcg/day), and trenbolone (400mg/wk). The main issue, that still persists, is mostly maintaining erections during penetration. The quality has become inconsistent but, more importantly, my erection will begin to go down after just a few minutes of sexual intercourse. I didn't have any of these issues pre-cycle. The issues began almost immediately after starting the cycle. About two weeks into the cycle is when I first noticed because that is when I got together with my current girlfriend. It may be of note that we had had sex before the cycle with no issues whatsoever.

At first, I assumed the ED was some sort of side effect from elevated estrogen or prolactin (from the testosterone or trenbolone, respectively). After getting E2 in range using Arimidex and taking prolactin to undetectable levels with Cabergoline, the problems persisted. I began taking Cialis, but beyond improving erection quality, the issue with maintaining erections still persisted. To be clear, I was almost always able to achieve an erection but it would go down immediately or very soon after penetration. At this point, I decided it would be best to abort the cycle and begin post cycle therapy.

I stopped taking T3 and Trenbolone for about three weeks before I stopped taking Testosterone (which I lowered to 125mg/wk) in order to avoid having multiple systems recovering at the same time. In the first few days after I had stopped taking T3, my symptoms subsided. That is, I was able to have a normal erection with no issues whatsoever. However, the symptoms soon returned after those ~2-3 days.

In any case, I waited for about a week and began post cycle therapy. The protocol was 2000iu of HCG every other day for 20 days, 30 days of Clomid at 70mg/day, and 45 days of Nolvadex at 40mg/day. The issues intensified during PCT and, at times, I was no longer even able to achieve an erection. Erection quality was massively decreased as well. Cialis and Viagra did not help much at all during this period.

Fast forward to about after I completed PCT, I was now able to achieve erections with some difficulty, but the problem with maintenance persisted. Additionally, the quality was far lower than when on cycle or before I started the cycle. Fast forward another four weeks after PCT and I have an easier time achieving erections, but sex drive is still almost non-existent compared to what it was and I still cannot maintain an erection for longer than a few minutes during intercourse. Additionally, Cialis and/or Viagra now certainly help with erection quality, but they now tend to cause premature ejaculation (an issue I've never ever had in the past).

So, as you can tell, things are a mess and I'm really a loss here. Blood work attached below. Any ideas what is wrong?

welcome and thanks for taking the time to detail this out. please keep us posted on your progress and hope it gets better.

 

[soldier74]

WTF is mid twenties? you don't know how old you are ? Really by that reply I guess you are two young. I mean you give us you height as in 5'5" why didn't you just say my height is in the mid 5' . Are you a troll or for real.
Complete stats:
age
ht
wt
BF% ... I mean at 5'-5" and 180lbs tells me you are fat.
History of training... is it somewhere between 2-6 years.
What and how many cycles,,, or is it , well I've done somewhere between 2-5 or is it 2,or 3,or 4
You could also tell us your BF% is between 10-20,%

Oh damn!! No he didn't...lol.

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks for the replies everyone.

Currently on 10,000iu of Vit D3 daily. The plan is to continue with that dose for eight weeks, retest, reassess, and probably just move to a maintenance dose. I have fairly dark skin and live in a cold climate so the issues with D3 are probably chronic.


Would this advice still hold even if I'm normally in the 400s off-cycle?


Age: 25, Height: ~5'6", Weight: ~180lbs, BF%: ~18%

EXACT Stats for the rest of y'all:
Age: 25 years, 10 months, 2 weeks
Height: 168.5cm
Weight: 81kg, ~178.5lbs
Waist: 34" (measured at belly button with tape measure)
I was 10lbs lighter and 2" smaller at the waist before PCT.


Tested at 130/80 today. That's above the hypotensive range, no?


Yes, twice. The first time was to check elevated e2 (which was elevated) and prolactin (which wasn't). The second test was done several weeks after increasing arimidex and prolactin. I got estrogen into the 20s and prolactin was undetectable on the second test. I was still experiencing issues at this point so I decided to give up on the cycle because I simply couldn't figure out what was going on.


I'll have it done in a few days after I get paid.



I appreciate the help. I suppose the smartest course of action would be to correct the Vit D3 insufficiency and see if that results in better Total T and E2 levels? Of course, it is difficult to be patient with ED when you're in a relationship but I'm not in a rush to do anything stupid.

Can you post up your blood work from your cycle? "Normal" doesn't tell us a whole lot. We need to see numbers to know what was going on. The more detailed you can be the better we can help.

As for PCT again if your TT was always 400, there is no way to know that since you never got baseline blood work. You only get one shot at doing that and you missed out. So we have to assume that you were likely average (meaning higher than 400) and go off your symptoms.

And yes, 130/80 is not hypotensive.

 

[oldmusclemike]

..Good job OP you finally remembered your age and more, Thank You.
Good luck

 

[Black Beard]

your 130 systolic BP is technically pre-hypertensive, but that number is fine.


The other problem you might be having is that once you experienced the ED, you lost the confidence in your erections to have them normally. Arousal is a highly mental process that involves neurotransmitters, hormones and your state of mind.


You may still be anxious about not getting it up, your testosterone levels might not be where they usually are, or clomiphene may still be having an effect on your body(it doesnt clear that fast).



Getting your vitamin D up may help your testosterone a bit but don't expect a miracle.


At 5'5 180 lbs, even 18% BF would have you holding a respectable amount of muscle, so you may be underestimating your bodyfat greatly. High body fat will greatly decrease testosterone levels and can affect erectile function.

 

[Rippletoad]

The other problem you might be having is that once you experienced the ED, you lost the confidence in your erections to have them normally. Arousal is a highly mental process that involves neurotransmitters, hormones and your state of mind.

You may still be anxious about not getting it up, your testosterone levels might not be where they usually are, or clomiphene may still be having an effect on your body(it doesnt clear that fast).

The quality is weak and fluctuates even during masturbation, but I'm not ruling out some sort of additional mental issues.

At 5'5 180 lbs, even 18% BF would have you holding a respectable amount of muscle, so you may be underestimating your bodyfat greatly. High body fat will greatly decrease testosterone levels and can affect erectile function.

I have six years of (continuous, periodized) training experience; I squat 550, bench 350, deadlift 585, and press 225. I used the Navy circumference method to calculate my body fat but the mirror test seems to agree with high teens right now. I'm actually leaning out and regaining strength the past few weeks as my hormones are finally returning to something approximating normal. I could certainly be leaner, though. It may help, I don't know.

 

[Black Beard]

The quality is weak and fluctuates even during masturbation, but I'm not ruling out some sort of additional mental issues.


I have six years of (continuous, periodized) training experience; I squat 550, bench 350, deadlift 585, and press 225. I used the Navy circumference method to calculate my body fat but the mirror test seems to agree with high teens right now. I'm actually leaning out and regaining strength the past few weeks as my hormones are finally returning to something approximating normal. I could certainly be leaner, though. It may help, I don't know.

I would get to at least 15% body fat. For optimal health 8-15%. Do you do any cardiovascular exercise? This will help but see below;


The fact that cialis/viagra isn't helping much means it's most likely a mental/hormonal issue. You could try some testosterone with AI and see if that helps. Masteron will give you a boost as well. At least that way you can get rid of the anxiety that your cock is permanently broken.

 

[appleton111]

Have you been able to straighten out your Erectile Dysfunction issue?

 

[ethanolmos]

Had the same shitty problem, but in my case, it was a mostly emotional thing and bad nutrition took its toll as well.
As soon as I understood that reflecting all the time about it will not end up with anything good I put my diet in order and tried my best to avoid any negativity in my life at all. Also, I bought this drops when I was in Germany. *******NO LINKS TO OUTSIDE SITES ALLOWED READ THE BOARD RULES****I have no Idea what exactly improve my case, but after 1 month all went back to normal throbbing erection.
Sounds stupid but that's was all I did.

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

Had the same shitty problem, but in my case, it was a mostly emotional thing and bad nutrition took its toll as well.
As soon as I understood that reflecting all the time about it will not end up with anything good I put my diet in order and tried my best to avoid any negativity in my life at all. Also, I bought this drops when I was in Germany. *******NO LINKS TO OUTSIDE SITES ALLOWED READ THE BOARD RULES****I have no Idea what exactly improve my case, but after 1 month all went back to normal throbbing erection.
Sounds stupid but that's was all I did.

what emotional things did you have to deal with?

 

[ethanolmos]

Low self-esteem and severe crippling depression caused by various stupid reasons.