Help with a first cycle.

[Ma213802]

I have not been looking into this very long, but have gained a wealth of knowledge from this forum! Thank you for that! I plan on doing my first cycle in a couple of months when I get my body fat down a couple % to about 14% and get my diet Spot on (Clean). I have two basic questions, One is is this a good First cycle? From what I have read so far its as basic as it gets!

Week 1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 12 Clomid 100mg/ed Nolva 40mg/ed
Week 13-14 Clomid 50mg/ed Nolva 20mg/ed

As an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), could/should I run the nolva during the whole cycle? Do I need to or just if any signs of gyno show up? Thanks in advance for any help!

 

[Ma213802]

Guess I should say Im 31 173lbs 17%bf 5'11" Im just looking to pack on some muscle and just overall get more in shape with a quick start. I am pretty active playing sports every week.

 

[Twitch72186]

I would personally run the test for 12 weeks

Clomid 50/50/50/50 Ed for 4 weeks
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Ed for 4 weeks

You can run nolvadex or clomid during cycle but I would wait if you see any symptoms then start using it I am not sure how much you should run if you see side effects ill check it out. I ran 500mg/ wk of sustanon and had no side effects but everyone reacts differently

 

[H 3 L L S M A N]

Nolva and Clomid are not AI's you need AROMASIN or ARIMIDEX for on cycle use, dose the Adex at 0.5 EOD or 1mg EOD for the duration of your cycle. Aroma dosage will depend on what your lab produces it at. If you are using caps then stick with one capsule EOD the dosage could range from 12 - 20mg per cap but I do not think you will see higher than 20 per cap.

If you have an oral suspension of Aroma then pick your dosage between that range and do EOD, remember to get bloodwork done to check were your levels E2 levels are at to make sure you are in normal limits.

Correction for lesser cycles like 500mg Test a week run adex @.25mg EOD and raise only if you symptoms suggest so or bloodwork says so. Too running to much Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is a problem and will affect gains.

 

[codymx29]

Everything looks ok, good luck man.

 

[hijacked]

I would personally run the test for 12 weeks

Clomid 50/50/50/50 Ed for 4 weeks
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Ed for 4 weeks

You can run nolvadex or clomid during cycle but I would wait if you see any symptoms then start using it I am not sure how much you should run if you see side effects ill check it out. I ran 500mg/ wk of sustanon and had no side effects but everyone reacts differently

Do not run nolva and clomid thru cycle!

 

[Ma213802]

So is AROM or ARIM better for water retention? I've also heard proviron is good? If there is an onset of gyno what's the procedure?obviously take the nolvadex or clomid,. But both? How much? How often? When do I stop? just want to be prepared! Thanks again!

 

[ScottyB28]

Run the test e at least 12-14 weeks

 

[Truushot]

Listen to the above posts brother. Test e should be run a minimum of 14 weeks. There is a ramp up time for the test to build in the blood. Also if you want to pack on muscle...

You need to adjust the food. High protien on test brother. Gotta double the food because your body will need it. 60/25/15 pro/carb/fat.

With that high of bf yiu should be spending 20-30 mins of cardio each workout to lean up. Do low intensity.

 

[Ma213802]

Could I start the clomid and nolvadex on the same schedule? Just extend the test? Or is the two week waiting period needed to start the pct?

 

[Iron Giant]

Could I start the clomid and nolvadex on the same schedule? Just extend the test? Or is the two week waiting period needed to start the pct?

Not much difference btw Adex & Aromasin. Just pick one or the other. If your nips start to feel overly sensitive/itchy/burny that would be a VERY good indication to start your Aromatase inhibitor (AI). If you feel a lump, you already have gyno. I recommend just starting your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in week 2 (Adex @ .25-.50mg EOD or Aromasin @ 6.25-12.5mg ED). You want to start pct 14-16 days after your last jab of test. If you extend your cycle to 12 weeks (which you should) then this obviously bumps pct back as well.

 

[DD55]

Aromasin is better on your lipids, will raise test to a degree, and is good for bloating. It will only lower e around 85% however. Don't know that much about arimidex, but I've read it's stronger, will lower e more, and you can crash your e on it. I stuck to aromasin 12.5 Ed.
Save the clomid and Nolva till pct after your cycle. You only take Nolva mid cycle if you have noticeable Gyno flare ups. Read the sticky on pcts. They tell u how to plan it, what to take, and when to start.

 

[Ma213802]

Nice thanks!