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pullinbig

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All molecules are actually 3-dimensional, but are represented in 2-D. The functional groups and side chains attached to the backbone are actually extending perpendicular to the flat backbone, not straight out, as is shown in the figures. The bold triangles show that the group is extending up from the backbone, while a series of dashes indicate it is extending down from the chain. When two groups are both extending in the same direction, they are said to be cis to each other. If they extend in opposite directions relative to the backbone, they are said to be trans. It should also be noted that all carbon atoms should have a total of four bonds. Where there are fewer than four bonds shown, assume hydrogen atoms are attached to make four.

The first steroid we will look at is testosterone, an androgenic steroid produced mainly in the gonads, and to a smaller extent, in the adrenal cortex. Testosterone has one of the simpler structures of all the steroid molecules:

The only differences between Testosterone and Pregnenolone is that in testosterone, the 2-carbonylethyl group attached to the C17 has been replaced by a hydroxyl group, and the Hydroxyl on C3 has been replaced by a carbonyl (double-bonded oxygen). It should be noted that the 4-ring backbone of testosterone, and all other steroids, is not flat. Instead, all the rings are slightly contorted to minimize interactions between atoms and to achieve the ideal bond angle of 109.5°. Because of this contortion, the molecule is not planar. That is, it does not lie in one linear plane. If you were to view a steroid molecule from the side, you would not see all the atoms in a straight line, like a sheet of paper. Instead, some of the rings might be v-shaped, while others are shaped similar to a chair. A more complex view of Testosterone, which shows this contortion, can be seen below.

The two previous diagrams are the structures for basic testosterone. However, sometimes other side-chains of atoms can be added, forming such compounds as Testosterone cypionate, Testosterone enanthate, and Testosterone propionate. These side chains are known as esters, are usually composed of C, H and O, and control the rate at which the steroid is released into the bloodstream. Larger esters are released into the bloodstream more slowly, as the ester decreases the solubility of the steroid in water, and increases its fat solubility. When a steroid has an ester attached, the steroid is rendered inactive, because the ester prevents it from binding to a receptor. In order for the steroid to become active again, the enzyme esterase must detach the ester and restore the hydrogen to form the hydroxyl group attached to C17. Once the molecule is converted back to testosterone, it is able to bind to a receptor and is an active steroid. Esters are usually attached at C17, though they are sometimes found at C3. Testosterone cypionate is shown below:

In testosterone cypionate, the hydrogen from the hydroxyl group on C17 has been removed and replaced with an 8-carbon side chain containing one cyclopentane ring and one carbonyl (=O) group. This is one of the larger esters of testosterone. In order of size, from smallest molecular weight to largest, the esters of testosterone are: acetate, propionate, phenylpropionate, isocaproate, caproate, enanthate, cypionate, decanoate, undecylenate, undecanoate, laurate. The largest of these esters, laurate, contains 12 carbon atoms, 24 hydrogen atoms, and 2 oxygen atoms. These esters can be attached to other steroids as well, and are not limited to testosterone.

Testosterone is easily converted in the body into Dihydrotestosterone (DHT). This reaction is carried out by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase (5-AR). During this reaction, the double bond between C4 and C5 is reduced to a single bond, and two new hydrogen atoms are added, one each to C4 and C5.

DHT:

The hydrogen attached to the C5 is trans to the methyl groups while the H attached to the C4 can be either cis or trans, as there is already one H bonded to that carbon. 5-AR does not convert all steroids to DHT. As with most enzymes, there has to be an exact fit between the enzyme and the substrate, in this case, the steroid. The analogy of a lock and key is sometimes used to describe the specificity of enzymes.

The next steroid we will examine is Nandrolone (Deca):

As you can see, Nandrolone differs from Testosterone in only one aspect- the methyl (CH3) group has been removed from C10 and replaced by a hydrogen (not shown). Because the structure is so similar to that of Testosterone, it can also be altered by the 5-AR enzyme. In this case, the resulting molecule is known as Dihydronandrolone, and is very similar in structure to DHT. A good determinant of whether or not a steroid will be converted by 5-AR is the shape of the A ring. In Testosterone and Nandrolone, the double bond gives the ring a somewhat flat structure. However, if the double bond is not present, the molecule is not as flat and the ring assumes the chair conformation, in which it is slightly twisted. This prevents the molecule from fitting into the active site of 5-AR, and prevents reduction. A good example of this is 5-Andriodiol, which has no double bond in the A ring. Also note that the double-bonded oxygen on C3 has been replaced with a hydroxyl group.

5-Androdiol:

Another conversion that some steroids can undergo is aromatization. This is the conversion of an androgen into an estrogen, and is catalyzed by the enzyme aromatase. It is known as aromatization because the A ring is converted into an aromatic ring, meaning it has alternating double bonds and is completely flat. Aromatic rings are also very dense in electrons because of the many double bonds. When Testosterone is aromatized, it is converted into Estradiol, which is shown below:

If you compare this to testosterone, you will notice that the methyl group on C10 has been removed and the oxygen on C3 has been reduced to a hydroxyl (-OH) group. These two changes reduce the number of bonds on all the carbons, so aromatization occurs, and alternating double bonds form. In order for aromatase to function and aromatize a steroid, the steroid must have a methyl group attached to the C10. This is another example of the lock and key model. For this reason, Nandrolone does not aromatize and is not converted to an estrogen. It does not have the methyl group.

Another factor that will influence whether or not a steroid is aromatized is the structure of the A ring. If the A ring is altered enough, aromatase cannot function and aromatization cannot occur. One example of an altered A-ring is Oxandrolone (Anavar), in which the 2C is replaced with an oxygen. Note that the methyl group on C10 is still present, yet no aromatization will occur.

Oxandrolone:

One other notable example of this A ring alteration is Stanozolol. In this molecule, a whole new ring has been attached to the A ring. This fifth ring prevents Stanozolol from being aromatized in any way.

Stanozolol:

Yet another important conversion steroids may undergo is 17-alpha alkylation. In this process, a methyl group (CH3) is added to C17. This methyl group is trans to the other methyl groups. One notable characteristic of these steroids is that they make the steroid much more difficult for the liver to degrade and process into waste products and these steroids usually have a longer half life than their non-alkylated counterparts. This is because the methyl prevents the steroid from fitting into the active site on the various liver enzymes that process steroids. One example of a 17 alpha alkylated steroid is Oxandrolone, shown above. Note the CH3 on C17. Most oral steroids are 17a-alkylated steroids, and are thus more liver toxic than many Injectable steroids, which are usually esterified.

The steroids previously mentioned are only a few of the many examples of each type of steroid. Several other steroid structures and properties can be found in the table below:

Steroid Structure Reduced by 5-AR? Aromatized? 17 alpha alkylated? Notes
Testosterone Yes Yes No
Nandrolone Yes No No
5-Androdiol No Yes No
Oxandrolone No No Yes
Oxymetholone (Anadrol) No No Yes
Boldenone(Equipoise) Yes Yes, to a small extent No R denotes a fairly long carbon-base side-chain
Dianabol No No Yes
Masteron No No No
Trenbolone Yes No No
Mesterolone No No No
Halotestin Yes Possibly No Note the Fluorine attached to C9

Glossary of Terms used:
Anabolics - steroids that promote growth.
Androgens - steroids responsible for exerting masculinizing physical effects on the body.
Carbonyl group - a functional group consisting of an oxygen double-bonded to any other atom, usually a carbon.
Cyclization - the process by which a linear molecule is formed into a ring.
Cyclopentane - a ring of five atoms
Enzyme - a protein responsible for catalyzing a specific chemical reaction.
Glucocorticoids - steroidal compounds that are synthesized in the adrenal cortex.
Gonadal compounds - compounds that are synthesized in the gonads: the ovaries and the testes.
Meiosis - the process by which a cell divides to form two gametes (sperm or egg), which have ½ the normal amount of DNA
Methyl group - a functional group having the formula CH3. Three hydrogen atoms bonded to one carbon atom, which is bonded to some other atom.
Receptor - a cellular structure that is able to bind to steroids.
Substrate - the substance that the enzyme binds to in order to catalyze the reaction. The substrate is usually a reactant in the reaction. In the reactions considered in this article, the substrate is almost always a steroid.
Tetracyclic - a chemical structure composed of four fused rings.
 
NICE!! Had to reach into the back of my brain to pull back some advanced chem stuff from college, but it's still there. Great read PB!

Question you may be able to answer: How come we can't attach Winstrol (winny) to an ester? A 2-3 day half-life Winstrol (winny) would kick ass!
 
since its orally active why bother? most orals are NE. a few are. primo comes to mind. i am not a primo fan either. week deca is what it is. high priced at that. but back to the point. you asked me something ill have to study up on. i dont know if its the the addition of an alkyl group (methyl or ethyl) to the alpha position of the 17 carbon that would present the problem or not. I wouldnt think so as these alkyl are used to produce different esters. hmmm good question. graph you got an answer to this?
 
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id have to do some research to figure out why.... the thing about science to always keep in mind is "if it can be done, it will be done".
 
pullinbig said:
since its orally active why bother? most orals are NE. a few are. primo comes to mind. i am not a primo fan either. week deca is what it is. high priced at that. but back to the point. you asked me something ill have to study up on. i dont know if its the the addition of an alkyl group (methyl or ethyl) to the alpha position of the 17 carbon that would present the problem or not. I wouldnt think so as these alkyl are used to produce different esters. hmmm good question. graph you got an answer to this?

Right, it's kinda silly to esterify Winstrol (winny) especially if you are going to take it orally, since most of the ester will be hydrolyzed in the first pass through the liver. This is why we inject most esterified AS, but by alkylating the 17 position it protects the AS from deactivation in the liver.

I think you mean forming an ester from acetic or propionic acid at the 17-alpha hydroxy? You can esterify the 17 hydroxy by reacting it with the appropriate acid chloride and using pyridine as a weak base, but the real question is how much steric hinderance the 17-beta methyl group would present to the estrase enzyme, and would it still fit into the active site, (which I believe it would). If the hinderance is too high you will have a low intensity of hormone and would reduce the effectiveness of the AS, just like tertiary esters show no activity since they are too hindered to be hydrolyzed by the enzyme.

I don't really think the 17 methyl would pose too much of a problem though.
 
Ok, bear with me because this may be a dumb question.

When a molecule of Winstrol (winny) is formed (produced, made, whatever), does it have the 17-alpha as part of that formation or is it then 17AA'd to make it orally available. I was thinking more along the lines of taking a raw Winstrol (winny) molecule without the 17-alpha attachment and esterifying that.
 
A simple answer would be no.

Think of it this way...primo is Winstrol (winny) without the 17-aa, just like eq is dbol without the 17-aa. This is simplifying it a bit, but you get the gist.
 
mranak said:
wtf!

pullinbig, did you write that?

if i did i was in a coma. i cant even read all that crap now, it hurts my head.

i will say this at one time i did study alot and found most of it to be totally useless. so i stopped. =0l
 
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^ LOL... i almost spat my drink out when mranak asked that question... Also i am in the same oat as pb..I use 2 try to read usless shit that ithought was useful --but wasnt--so istopped too :D . 4 the record i ddt understnd SHITT in that post!!
 
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