Highest gains least side cycle experiment

[Chemically]

Hi All,

New member here. Been lifting for 15 years and experimented with a cycle test and dbol 6 years ago. I didn't like the sides, so I didn't continue. But also I knew a lot less than I know now. This will be my second cycle and now I would like transform my very non-aesthetic powerlifter physique into an aesthetic one.
About me:

Biochemist
Personal trainer
Powerlifter

Physical stats:
5'11
197 lbs
about 15% BF

Raw big 3 lifts (PRs)
Squat 545
bench 425
deadlift 700
All around 210 lbs bw
I have a powerlifter background but now I am looking to build muscle and aesthetics.

The chemicals:
Test prop and test e: 600 per week, first 4 weeks mixing test prop with test e, then just test e from there out (14 weeks)
NPP and deca: 250 per week, same protocol as test with deca only 4 weeks beyond (12 weeks)
CJC-1295: 2-4 mg per week depending on budget
exemestane: 25 mg ED beginning 1 week after first pin
cabergoline: .125 mg every 4 days beginning 1 week after first pin
HCG: 500 UIs every 3 days beginning 1 week after first pin. Increase as needed.

PCT:
Exemestane 25:25:25:12.5
HCG: 2500: 2500: 5000: 5000

Electives and support (in cycle only):
Taurine
NAC
RALA
Curcumin

Regular daily supps:
Spirulina
HQ multi-v
Potassium Bicarb
HMB
Pycnogenol
alpha-gpc
Fish oil

I've looked extensively at all the mechanisms (known ones) and possible side effects and have picked each ingredient deliberately. However, I am only human so I open up my cycle to my chemically enhanced peers for their thoughts. Thanks!

 

[Megatron28]

A few thoughts:

- This cycle is too advanced for a essentially first timer. A first cycle really should be with testosterone and that's it. You will get fantastic results and be able to learn how your body responds to test.

- Don't front load with Prop. Just run test e. Again, simple is better -- especially for a first cycle.

- You won't need caber if you drop the nandrolone. FYI -- that dose of nandrolone you were proposing is what most of us consider to be a "therapeutic" dose for treating joint issues.

- If you are going to run peptides you should use a GHRP and GHRH in tandem for a synergistic effect. Not just one. Remember that most of them need to be pinned about three times a day. I personally would drop this on your first cycle so you can evaluate if it does anything for you in later cycles. Try to isolate the variables like a biochemist would in the lab.

- If you insist on nandrolone, your caber dosage is too low. Should be .50mg twice a week. That is where most guys start it out at.

- Run the AI up until PCT starts.

- Have you gotten pre-cycle baseline blood work yet? If so please post. i can't stress the importance of this enough.

- What is your blood work plan during your cycle?

- hCG can be pinned twice a week for convenience. Then you can pin it with your Test (assuming are pinning twice a week with the test E).

- Your PCT is all hosed up. hCG and an AI have no business being included in your PCT. You need to be running SERMS. Please read the FAQ's link below in my signature for more info on PCT.

- You shouldn't need the "Electives and Support" on this cycle (if you follow the above advice), but it won't hurt to run them either. It will just cost you more money.

 

[Chemically]

Thanks for the response megatron.

Yeah I read up on the PCT change and I'll definitely make those recommended changes. As for the complication of the cycle, this is not my first as I ran test and dbol some time ago. But it may seem like a first to my body since it has been so long, if that was what you meant. The only anabolic I have never used before is nandrolone. So I am aware of how my body reacts to test and cjc-1295.

The reason I put the fast esters in is just to get levels up quicker. I will be titrating them to assure a smooth transition.

CJC-1295 is essentially GHRH but I have also run Ipam in the past. From my reading it seems CJC is highly effective at raising GH at the doses I am using so not sure I want to spend more money for a GHRP.

Speaking of money, if I had more I would definitely get blood tests. I am confident in my sources for legitimacy and if I can afford it I may get some done mid cycle and and the end of PCT.

In reference to caber, I've read most people do .5 per week rather than 1mg a week, but they are also running a lot more deca than I am. My plan is to run .25 per week to start and increase it if needed. I'd rather not use too much right away.

Further thoughts are welcome. I'll be making the order in a week or so and begging shortly after. I'll log it on this thread as well.

 

[carverelli]

I like a man with a plan.... chems are one thing, how do you plan on changing your training to become more aesthetic? PR's now become almost mute. It's now about breaking down muscle tissue then rebuilding it in the right places

 

[49ER]

How old are you?

 

[Chemically]

My training will fundamentally change. I will be doing a lot more isolated movements and my rep range will be a lot more diverse. The compound movements I will keep from powerlifting will be done with much more attention to muscle activation in the way I want to develop them. I find this to be the most important thing in adding muscle, especially in the areas you want.

I am putting a special emphasis on my aesthetically weak muscles like my traps shoulders and lats. Hitting them multiple times a week.

 

[Chemically]

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[Chemically]

I did my first pin yesterday. I decided to just run my entire cycle with prop and npp.

My doses are:
500 mg/week prop 140 mg EOD
400 mg/week NPP 115 mg EOD
Pinning both in same shot

exemestane 12.5 mg ED (rather over suppress and cut back then play catch up)
caber .25 mg E3D

My diet will be following macros of 25:35:40

Training overview:
I plan on being in the gym 7 days a week.

2 rounds, round 1 is heavy round 2 is volume
Day 1 back
day 2 chest and shoulders
day 3 Legs and Arms
day 4 functional movements (active recovery)


I'll start my log below or if you prefer I can make a new thread.

 

[Milton]

again, why run so many, why not test first?

 

[Chemically]

I would if this was my first cycle. Also, I really have no plans to do many more if any more cycles. My main goal is a transformation of my physique to more aesthetically proportioned. From there I plan to train "natty."

 

[Roush]

I did my first pin yesterday. I decided to just run my entire cycle with prop and npp.

My doses are:
500 mg/week prop 140 mg EOD
400 mg/week NPP 115 mg EOD
Pinning both in same shot

how many weeks do you plan on running this? in your original post you had mentioned something about 14 weeks, but you were deciding between short or long esters. being you went with short esters, how did you adjust your cycle length


having used Deca and NPP multiple times over the years ,, i can tell you if your running NPP as long as you had originally planned , thats not a good idea for your health. expect your RBC and hematrocrit to elevate significantly. And when the sleep apnea develops, restlessness, claustrophobia kick in , hypertension, etc its time to get off. <--- depends on how strongly dosed your gear is and on the individual , just saying a long run of NPP can raise rbc big time

 

[Chemically]

Yeah good point I forgot to mention that change as well. I plan on doing 10 weeks.

 

[Chemically]

I've run test before.

 

[Chemically]

Roush- did you donate blood and if so how often? Did you think it was helpful if you did?

 

[49ER]

So you want to transform and thw plan is to stay like that and live happily ever after? Wish steroids worked like that you have to keep using them

 

[Roush]

Roush- did you donate blood and if so how often? Did you think it was helpful if you did?

absolutely . every 56 days is when they will let you donate again. But I need to donate often as I'm on gear year round , TRT , and blast multiple stacks and compounds. so I have to stay on top of it all the time.

for you , you can probably donate blood towards the end of your cycle if its kept short. when you go to donate and they check your Hemoglobin, asked them what the number is* ,, if its elevated you'll want to donate another time 56 days later.

*hemoglobin from 17-20 range is elevated. Under 17 is fine . if your in the upper range you can also give a donation of plasma instead of a standard donation and that will remove more red blood cells

 

[Chemically]

absolutely . every 56 days is when they will let you donate again. But I need to donate often as I'm on gear year round , TRT , and blast multiple stacks and compounds. so I have to stay on top of it all the time.

for you , you can probably donate blood towards the end of your cycle if its kept short. when you go to donate and they check your Hemoglobin, asked them what the number is* ,, if its elevated you'll want to donate another time 56 days later.

*hemoglobin from 17-20 range is elevated. Under 17 is fine . if your in the upper range you can also give a donation of plasma instead of a standard donation and that will remove more red blood cells

I'll definitely do that.

 

[Chemically]

Just did my second pin this morning. My first was just prop and this one was prop and NPP. I did ventrogluteal with the air-lock technique and I have to say injecting all that air is a little unsettling. Checked my BP after the injection and was 117/62 with pulse 92. That was by far the most I have ever injected all at once.

 

[Chemically]

Did my 4th pin yesterday. Starting to feel the effects. My workout volume has increased and feel like I can go longer. Not much strength increase yet. I'm starting to get some erection problems so I'll up my caber dose to .25 mg from .125 mg every 3 days.

 

[49ER]

You cant get erection problems in 4 days especially on test prop there is no way dont be so quick to "up" things especially when you dont even need caber