how many calories on a cycle?

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I'm 4 weeks into my test/var cycle...been on var for a week now and running the cycle for another 10 wks. My calorie intake has been anywhere from 3000-4000 calories a day depending on what days I have school, work, etc. I was going to just do an all out bulking cycle but now I want to lean up and drop some bodyfat. I'm probably about 15% and want to get down to about 10-12%. What the least amount of clean calories I could do on a cycle to still gain some muscle and at the same time lean up?
 
2,500 is a good cutting caloric intake as long as you are eating good foods, depending on how much you want to lose 2,200 or around there is as low as I would go, eat good and healthy... i.e... tuna in water out of the can, chicken, eggs, oatmeal etc.
 
Ya, I just layed a diet out with around that much. Do yall see anything I should add or take out?

Meal 1:
Oatmeal, 6 Egg whites, 1 Apple
Meal 2:
Shake, Nuts
Meal 3:
Tuna, Veggies
Meal 4: PWO
5 Rice cakes, Apple, Shake
Meal 5:
Chicken, Rice
Meal 6:
Shake w/milk
 
theincredible1 said:
I would remove nuts, nuts tend to have alot of fat, and also make sure all the shakes you drink have 0 carbs...
yea because you cant eat carbs or fat when dieting.

especially on drugs.

and calorie recommendations with absolutely no consideration as to the persons weight are totally credible.
 
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I said remove nuts because nuts are usually a snack and a 20g of fat snack and cutting dont go hand in hand, and I said remove the carbs from protein shakes because if you are going to get carbs you should eat them when cutting, and protein can be replaced while cutting.
 
theincredible1 said:
I said remove nuts because nuts are usually a snack and a 20g of fat snack and cutting dont go hand in hand, and I said remove the carbs from protein shakes because if you are going to get carbs you should eat them when cutting, and protein can be replaced while cutting.
i dont have the slightest clue what you just said, but i feel less smart after reading it.
 
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Suareezay said:
i dont have the slightest clue what you just said, but i feel less smart after reading it.



well bascially here when you cut you want your day to be like this:

40%carbs
40%protein
20%fat

If you do your meal averages your 5 meals should be about..

-60g protein
-50g carbs.
-10g fat

if you eat 20g of fat in peanuts you just ate 2 meals of ur fat intake, so ur next meal will have to have 0g fat.. make sense?? if not just quit replying.
 
1. where did you get the 2500 calories per day recommendation for the OP? im going to take a wild guess and say it came from somewhere in vicinity of your ass.

2. you say that each meal should be 60/50/10 p/c/f, but you suggested that the OP lose the nuts and use protein in water shakes - which, if he heeded your advice would mean his 2nd and 6th meal would consist of nothing but protein. and the only fat he would be getting would be trace fat from oatmeal, tuna and chicken in meals 1, 3 and 5, which (assuming 9oz of chicken, a can of tuna, and 2 servings oatmeal) would total ~20g. Thats 180 calories. If, by your recommendation, fat is set at 20% of daily calorie intake, he would be taking in 900 calories. Your own shitty advice contradicts itself.

Not to mention the fact that not only do drugs allow for an ample amount of slack in a diet, but also that the OP is at 15% and just starting to diet. He should be able to get to his desired leanness of 10-12%, which is not overly lean, with very minor changes. Lower carbs on off days + cardio + drugs = leanness.
 
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Suareezay said:
1. where did you get the 2500 calories per day recommendation for the OP? im going to take a wild guess and say it came from somewhere in vicinity of your ass.

2. you say that each meal should be 60/50/10 p/c/f, but you suggested that the OP lose the nuts and use protein in water shakes - which, if he heeded your advice would mean his 2nd and 6th meal would consist of nothing but protein. and the only fat he would be getting would be trace fat from oatmeal, tuna and chicken in meals 1, 3 and 5, which (assuming 9oz of chicken, a can of tuna, and 2 servings oatmeal) would total ~20g. Thats 180 calories. If, by your recommendation, fat is set at 20% of daily calorie intake, he would be taking in 900 calories. Your own shitty advice contradicts itself.

Not to mention the fact that not only do drugs allow for an ample amount of slack in a diet, but also that the OP is at 15% and just starting to diet. He should be able to get to his desired leanness of 10-12%, which is not overly lean, with very minor changes. Lower carbs on off days + cardio + drugs = leanness.



dude I listed a small list just thinking of 3 or 4 quick things I eat and you jump on my case for pullin shit out of my ass.. name 1 fuckin time I said no fat or carbs on your 2nd or 6th meal.. wait, I didnt even though if you're cutting carbs on your last meal should be non existant, protein and fat should be kept same.. if your eating 900 calories on gear or not.. your not feeding your body proper nutrients... and why the fuck are you jumping to assumptions of what Im saying?? I tell him to lose the nuts because nuts have about 20g of fat, so now Im saying eat no fat at all... WTF?? and 2,500 cals. is the avg. persons caloric maintaing body weight intake.. so If your eating below that everyday your losing weight, assuming he has a close to avg. metabolic rate 2,500 cals. a day of healthy eating well cut him, and gain muscle..
 
Suareezay said:
about 170. lightweight, i know, but i started around 130.

obviously, natural as well.


so i thought...very quick to add your 2cents worth.

this was also the bloke who cant justify 6 meals a day.
 
im going to attempt to decipher this clusterfuck of a paragraph
theincredible1 said:
dude I listed a small list just thinking of 3 or 4 quick things I eat and you jump on my case for pullin shit out of my ass
I was not critisizing the foods you recommended, those are fine. What I dont agree with is recommending 2,500 calories to someone who you dont know weighs 150 or 250 pounds. 2,500 is too cookie cutter and doesnt take the OP's weight into account. Even though he mentioned 3-4k calories, thats too wide a margin to make any conclusions about his maintenence needs
.. name 1 fuckin time I said no fat or carbs on your 2nd or 6th meal.. wait, I didnt
wait, you did.

meal 2 as the OP had it laid out was "shake/nuts". You told him to lose the nuts, leaving only a, per your recommendation, no-carb, protein-only shake.

even though if you're cutting carbs on your last meal should be non existant, protein and fat should be kept same..
eh, this is a decent rule, but doesnt always apply. ie, for people who train at night/before bed. I am currently in a fat loss phase and my last meal on training days is 120g (uncooked) pasta, 120g shrimp, followed by a cup of cottage cheese. I dont train at night either.
if your eating 900 calories on gear or not.. your not feeding your body proper nutrients...
exactly. but if the OP heeded your advice, thats precisely what he would be doing.
and why the fuck are you jumping to assumptions of what Im saying?? I tell him to lose the nuts because nuts have about 20g of fat, so now Im saying eat no fat at all... WTF??
you didnt directly say "eat no fat", but you told him to drop his primary fat source, which left only tag-a-long fat from lean chicken, tuna, and oatmeal, around 20g assuming common servings.
and 2,500 cals. is the avg. persons caloric maintaing body weight intake.. so If your eating below that everyday your losing weight, assuming he has a close to avg. metabolic rate 2,500 cals. a day of healthy eating well cut him, and gain muscle..
 
Jacked!!! said:
so i thought...very quick to add your 2cents worth.

this was also the bloke who cant justify 6 meals a day.
6 meals a day are justifiable if youre eating so much that you cant fit the calories into fewer meals. If youre eating 6 meals a day to "stoke the metabolic fire" then youre wasting your time, as meal frequency above maybe 3 provides no benefit.

im lost as to where your post is going though...
 
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im lost as to why anyone would be heeding your advice when ur weighing it at 170 dripping wet. You obviously arent afraid to offer some of your knowledge, an by reading most of your posts you no some stuff, but the proof is in the pudding. You started out at 130 and are now 170, which is far from your 'pro bodybuilder' status
 
Jacked!!! said:
im lost as to why anyone would be heeding your advice when ur weighing it at 170 dripping wet. You obviously arent afraid to offer some of your knowledge, an by reading most of your posts you no some stuff, but the proof is in the pudding. You started out at 130 and are now 170, which is far from your 'pro bodybuilder' status
i knew i felt some fallacitic bro-knowledge comming on.

my "pro bodybuilder" status is based on post count - it wasnt my idea.
 
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