Larger vials (50ml) of gear - upside and downside if any?

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Squatter13

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Some labs have 50ml bottles/vials in addition to standard 10ml ones.

Just wondering if besides the monetary difference there is ups and downs to them.

Part of me thinks the smaller ones might be a better idea -- spread your eggs in a few baskets -- in case I goof up/drop something/mishandle something or whatever.

Edit: I'm an idiot for thinking (typing) out loud. Seems like its just a cost benefit to buying 'bulk'.
 
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The more times you run a needle through a stopper the more damage you to it, tiny bits can fall into your oil. If you draw with a thin needle damage is less and any bits are easier to avoid and less likely to make it into your syringe.

It ain't really a major thing to stress but something to keep in mind.
 
mmm 50ml jugs...
Agreed, pinnning through stopper alot with a big pin can damage the stopper causing it to leak, allowing air in, pieces of stopper in gear... but the chance is pretty minimal..

Now if they could just make a 2L jug of Winstrol (winny) , shake it up and use it instead of milk on my Kashi GoLean..
 
Squatter13 said:
Some labs have 50ml bottles/vials in addition to standard 10ml ones.

Just wondering if besides the monetary difference there is ups and downs to them.

Part of me thinks the smaller ones might be a better idea -- spread your eggs in a few baskets -- in case I goof up/drop something/mishandle something or whatever.

Edit: I'm an idiot for thinking (typing) out loud. Seems like its just a cost benefit to buying 'bulk'.
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I've always wondered the same thing. I debated making 20 or 30 cc bottles. But decided that 10 cc bottles would be best. Kind of like not putting all your eggs in one basket. There's one or two down sides that I can see with a 50cc bottle. Suppose it was a 50 cc bottle of test enanthate 250mg/cc and you like 12 week cycles of test enanthate at 500 mg/week. The rubber stopper would be pierced 24 times on your first cycle. Then you would take at least 12 weeks off, as time on equals time off. Then you would have to pierce the rubber stopper 24 more times for your second cycle. The rubber stopper can be pretty beat up after being stuck 48 times. 20 years ago I used to get 50 cc bottles of solvay equipoise and the rubber stopper used to look like a dart board towards the end of the cycle. And that was 19 sticks through the stopper at 3 cc's a draw. We used big needles back then and there would be little pieces of rubber stopper in the oil too. Plus with the test enanthate the amount of time from the first piercing to thee last piercing could be about 36 weeks apart. The needles are sterile but if something funky got introduced into the oil somewhere along the line it could have a long time to fester in the bottle.

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Shaq
 
I thought about that this morning, getting ready for work but then later forgot it before pondering the 50ml again. Since I've yet to do a cycle I've not yet handled the stoppers. It makes sense. More traffic = more wear and tear.

As for drawing with a thin needle -- I thought I read that many guys recommend drawing with 18/20g (?whichever one exists, my brain is foggy) then pinning with 23g for oil based ? When you say thin, how thin do you have in mind?
 
Squatter13 said:
I thought about that this morning, getting ready for work but then later forgot it before pondering the 50ml again. Since I've yet to do a cycle I've not yet handled the stoppers. It makes sense. More traffic = more wear and tear.

As for drawing with a thin needle -- I thought I read that many guys recommend drawing with 18/20g (?whichever one exists, my brain is foggy) then pinning with 23g for oil based ? When you say thin, how thin do you have in mind?
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He's probably assuming the 23-25g that most people pin with. I draw with 20g and pin with 23g or 25g depending on what is on hand. 20g is pretty big, I wouldn't put in my sites unless I had no options, so it's possible it could degrade the rubber over time. It's fairly self healing if you just draw from different quadrants each time. I ran a 50ml bottle of Winstrol (winny) a while ago, it held up just fine to daily needle rape, but I wouldn't have noticed all that much difference in PIP as most pins sucked ass; it's Winstrol (winny), it just does.
 
Squatter13 said:
Some labs have 50ml bottles/vials in addition to standard 10ml ones.

Just wondering if besides the monetary difference there is ups and downs to them.

Part of me thinks the smaller ones might be a better idea -- spread your eggs in a few baskets -- in case I goof up/drop something/mishandle something or whatever.

Edit: I'm an idiot for thinking (typing) out loud. Seems like its just a cost benefit to buying 'bulk'.
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Just finished my last 50ml jug and no issues at all.as far as getting some bacteria in it, that can happen to a small jug too if you dont pay attention...I always wipe the top with alcohol pre-draw and again post -draw and then it goes back in a small box and is covered and kept dark and basically airtight....doing it that way for years, seems to work
 
i draw with .22 or .23 usually and back load into 1/2 inch insulins to inject. can stick the same needle multiple times and create a lot less muscle damage and resulting scar tissue than with a 25 or especially 23 sticking once.
 
one and only champ said:
i draw with .22 or .23 usually and back load into 1/2 inch insulins to inject. can stick the same needle multiple times and create a lot less muscle damage and resulting scar tissue than with a 25 or especially 23 sticking once.
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same here, love the slin pins for delts, bis, and even quads. only use the big boy needles for glutes these days. not a big fan of the scar tissue and slin pins go in like butter.
 
I understand everybody's concern bout the 50cc btls, guess it does leave some room for something to go wrong. But that's pretty much aal I use to use 15 years ago and I never had a problem.
 
Krazydiamond said:
same here, love the slin pins for delts, bis, and even quads. only use the big boy needles for glutes these days. not a big fan of the scar tissue and slin pins go in like butter.
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I'm a noob (so forgive me :D) but from what I have read around here -- getting oil based liquid through an insulin needle is either impossible or extremely slow. Can you comment on it? I ask because I am probably going to pick up some needles soon. I think to go with 23g but interested in listening to others first.
 
Squatter13 said:
I'm a noob (so forgive me :D) but from what I have read around here -- getting oil based liquid through an insulin needle is either impossible or extremely slow. Can you comment on it? I ask because I am probably going to pick up some needles soon. I think to go with 23g but interested in listening to others first.
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I've heard the same thing too but to be honest I've never had a problem with it. I've even drawn with them when I was running low on 23's without any issues, just make sure you you inject with a new one since a slin pin will get pretty beaten up by the rubber stopper (plus sanitary reasons of course). Keeping your gear warm will make things easier as well
 
one and only champ said:
i draw with .22 or .23 usually and back load into 1/2 inch insulins to inject. can stick the same needle multiple times and create a lot less muscle damage and resulting scar tissue than with a 25 or especially 23 sticking once.
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A half inch pin is not optimal to inject with unless you are shredded. I draw with an 18 g and then switch to a 25x1 to inject to get deeper into the muscle.

How many guys do we need to come together to get a custom run of pins made? 29x1 pins would be awesome. I can look into it if we want like 10,000 of them...
 
308power said:
A half inch pin is not optimal to inject with unless you are shredded. I draw with an 18 g and then switch to a 25x1 to inject to get deeper into the muscle.

How many guys do we need to come together to get a custom run of pins made? 29x1 pins would be awesome. I can look into it if we want like 10,000 of them...
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Would love to get my hands on these, I'd definitely be in!
 
To minimize the bits of stopper falling into your oil, do not just pierce straight down. Pierce the stopper bevel up at a 45 degree angle. When the bevel is halfway into the stopper you may then straighten it and go in vertically. The hole is smaller and you won't get rubber pieces as easily.


Learned that little bit of knowledge in pharmaceutics lab. School is cool.
 
I know some would disagree with this and say its unsterile but I just leave an 18g pin in the vial and draw from that every time, then put a fresh pin on. I've been doing this for a long time with no issues and have friends that have done it for years. 50ml vials is all I have, I got a nice 100ml tren ace one right now :)
 
MeatHead96 said:
I know some would disagree with this and say its unsterile but I just leave an 18g pin in the vial and draw from that every time, then put a fresh pin on. I've been doing this for a long time with no issues and have friends that have done it for years. 50ml vials is all I have, I got a nice 100ml tren ace one right now :)
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Man I have never even thought of this but its a great idea and will definitely be doing it this way, I know people will shudder at the thought of it due to sterility issues but the pin stays in the sterile environment and if ya wanna be anal you can always place an empty barrel on the pin when done so air doesn''t flow through, would be no different from replacing the pin before shooting in way of sterility.

100ml bottle of tren ace... drooling ....
 
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