Looking for input on my second cycle (test e/deca)

[akol]

I did my first cycle of test-e only last year. The only side I had was some minor bacne. There are alot of factors that will go into whether I end up doing a cycle or not but I just wanted to get some input and thoughts. I'm 5 weeks out from my first show so as long as all goes well, my stats will be 27 years old , 5'4" (those shouldn't change) 155lbs 4-6%BF. Obviously, my diet and training are in check.

I am not looking to start this cycle until end of august/beginning of september if I even decide to do it. This will be a bulking cycle so I will assess where I'm at as far as TDEE and start at 500cal over my TDEE and then add about 200-250cal EOW (I will figure out macros once I'm closer). I will donate blood the week before my first pin, week 8, and week 16 (I think that's the regular interval you can donate blood...I'll have to check on that). And labs will be done prior to cycle, right before donating blood, and post PCT.

The cycle will look something like:
Wk 1-14 500mg Test E (monday morning/thursday evening)
Wk 1-13 500mg Deca (monday morning/thursday evening)
Wk 1-6 50mg Anavar? ED
Wk 1-16 12.5mg Aromasin ED
Wk 5-14 500iu HCG /week (250iu monday morning/thursday evening)
Wk 15-16.5 1000iu HCG ED
Will have Prami/Caber on hand in case of prolactin issues
PCT Wk 16.5-20.5
Clomid 50/50/50/50 ED
Nolva 40/40/20/20 ED

The questions I have are:
1. I have 6 weeks worth of anavar because it was on sale when I got all my gear for my first cycle . Would it be beneficial to use this since I already have it?

2. I've been reading about Deca and I've seen in several places that it shuts you down harder than just test? Doesn't test completely shut you down so how can you get more shutdown than completely shutdown (or am I misunderstanding it)? If this is the case, is there a higher risk of not fully recovering HPTA?

3. Based on labs, 12.5 mg ED of aromasin kept my estradiol levels perfect with just test, do I need to take a little more because of the Deca?

4. And finally, I haven't looked too hard yet but LabsMD and PrivateMDLabs don't service the Honolulu area, does anyone know of any labs here that I can get bloodwork?

I think those are all the questions I have right now. Obviously, I have a good amount of time to continue researching but your input is much appreciated!

 

[Megatron28]

1. I think a lot of guys like to use anavar at the end of the cycle. Since you are adding deca to this cycle, hold of on the anavar (at least until the end) so you don't get into a quandry trying to figure out which new compound is having which effect.

2. When people say deca stops you harder, I think two things are being refered to. It can stop your HPTA immediately with just on dose where as test probably takes a few doses to completely stop your HPTA. And also that it is harder to get your HPTA going again when your run PCT. You should lengthen your PCT as a result of this.

Stop deca two weeks before you stop test. Takes longer to clear out so you can begin PCT.

3. Deca does aromatize, but at a lower rate than test. Hard to say for sure how much though. You will need to get mid-cycle blood work to guage if your AI dose is correct.

4. Not sure.


Others:
-Since you don't know how much AI to use, I would use the DA from the beginning. Not just have it on hand.
-Might want to make this a 16 week cycle so you can run deca for 14. It takes a while to kick in.
-Drink more water than you typically do since you will be taking Deca.
-Adding in 1000mg of NAC everyday wouldn't be a bad idea.
-Have a SERM available. Preferable Raloxifene. Tamoxifen is good too. If you are gyno prone, I would encourage you to run it during your cycle as an insurance policy.

 

[akol]

That all makes sense. Thanks!

So I understand that Deca aromatizes at approximately 20% the rate of test? Is that correct? So should I initially up my AI dose by 20% or keep it the same and adjust based on feeling and/or bloodwork?

Everything that I've read says to have a DA on hand in case of prolactin issues. I haven't looked into the sides of LOW prolactin yet but could that be a potential issue(if I don't get the dosing right at first)?

 

[Megatron28]

That all makes sense. Thanks!

So I understand that Deca aromatizes at approximately 20% the rate of test? Is that correct? So should I initially up my AI dose by 20% or keep it the same and adjust based on feeling and/or bloodwork?

Everything that I've read says to have a DA on hand in case of prolactin issues. I haven't looked into the sides of LOW prolactin yet but could that be a potential issue(if I don't get the dosing right at first)?

I will stand by what I said in #3 for deca aromatization. Take your best guess on the AI dose.

I am not aware of any negative sides of low prolactin other than you may pick up some compulsive tendencies if you are prone to that (i.e. gambling or sex). There are positive sides to low prolactin of course which I will let you read about in your research.

 

[akol]

Original post didn't show up...See above.

 

[akol]

I will stand by what I said in #3 for deca aromatization. Take your best guess on the AI dose.

I am not aware of any negative sides of low prolactin other than you may pick up some compulsive tendencies if you are prone to that (i.e. gambling or sex). There are positive sides to low prolactin of course which I will let you read about in your research.

Sounds good. I will do some more research. I have had issues with compulsivity in the past but I have it under pretty good control now so I don't think that will be an issue.

 

[akol]

Thanks Megatron. That gives me some good stuff to look into. Anybody else have an opinion?