Low dose test first cycle

[Redraider]

Gentleman-I have been on this board for 10 years and I have yet to do a cycle! The guys on this board advised an 18 y/o kid to stay away and I listened!

Now to my questions ten years later:

I currently have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), Arimdex, Clomid, Nolva, (1) vial of test 250
And enough Anavar to run 75 Mgs for 8 weeks.

My cycle plan is as follows:

Weeks 1-10 Test e @ 250 ew split Sunday/Wed.
Weeks 2 -10 Anavar @ 75 Mgs/day
Weeks 2-10 HCG 500 ius 2 times a week
Start post cycle therapy (pct) with Clomid/Nolva 2 weeks after last injection and well off of HCG.
Still trying to decide about arimdex dose
Goals *****I AM NOT A BODY BUILDER****
I would like to gain lean muscle and am scared to death of becoming more stocky than I already am with puffy cheeks/bloat/unattractive "soft look"
Ultimately I would like to be lean/mean/Strong and more athletic with about a 10 lb comfortable gain and drop in BF %.

I have already done one injection of a 1/2 CC of test 250. I don't feel that I want to go as high as 500 Mgs/ew of test but am considering 300 maybe 375. Again I want to have as little sides as possible with keep able gains without bloat.

Is there a major difference between 250 test a week vs 300 or 375?
Considering my goals and the endurance sports I participate is the 250 enough a week for MY GOALS?

Stats: 28 years old
Training right: for 10 years
No cycle history
BF: 15-16ish
Ht: 5ft 10 in
Weight: 180ish

Sorry for the long post. I am up for suggestions and need to get this figured out ASAP. Again please consider that I am not wanting to gain raw mass. I would like to be lean/cut/strong and have an extra kick in my endurance sports.

I look forward to hearing from you guys!

Thanks!

 

[J_Fox23]

Why are you doing such a low dose? Are you not wanting to get too bulky?

 

[KingBF]

diet is the key to your goals my friend. have enough test to run 500mg weekly on hand because I guarantee you will want to up it at some point. 250mg isn't going to do much but shut you down and give a minimal gains. if your running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with your test at 500mg ew youll be fine man. youll have a couple extra pounds in water weight but nothing noticeable. diet will determine your gains. I wouldn't even worry about anavar yet. save it for round two if you want or just throw it in the last 6 weeks but for sure run the test 12 weeks and up the dose. coming from experience my first cycle I ran 350mg a week of test e and had a little strength gains and leaned out a little but it def wasn't worth it. the whole time I was thinking I knew I should of bought enough for 500mg ew.

 

[Redraider]

Why are you doing such a low dose? Are you not wanting to get too bulky?

Exactly. I work a 9-5 job and for lack of a better term am an average guy with an active lifestyle. I naturally have a "stocky frame" and with more mass I am afraid it will make me appear more like a bodybuilder gym rat type.

If steroids were "magic" I would take the magic drug that gave me the appearance of a 6 ft 2 NFL receiver. Again I am naturally a "stocky" guy and would like to not have as much emphasis on mass. I want to be flexible, agile, strong, and overall athletic. I do a lot of HIIT in an attempt to reach these goals.

 

[Redraider]

diet is the key to your goals my friend. have enough test to run 500mg weekly on hand because I guarantee you will want to up it at some point. 250mg isn't going to do much but shut you down and give a minimal gains. if your running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with your test at 500mg ew youll be fine man. youll have a couple extra pounds in water weight but nothing noticeable. diet will determine your gains. I wouldn't even worry about anavar yet. save it for round two if you want or just throw it in the last 6 weeks but for sure run the test 12 weeks and up the dose. coming from experience my first cycle I ran 350mg a week of test e and had a little strength gains and leaned out a little but it def wasn't worth it. the whole time I was thinking I knew I should of bought enough for 500mg ew.

This is exactly what I am afraid of. 10 weeks down the road and I have spent a grip of money on all the right supplies to stop unwanted side effects on a mere 250mgs of test and for a marginal amount I could have upped the test with better results.

I have read several posts of people having good results with the test/var combo though. Another big one for me is that I by no means want the chubby cheeks!!!

Thanks for your quick responses.

I am ALL ears and have my next boost tomorrow!!!

 

[Redraider]

Maybe up the test dosage and start taking a high dose of arimdex for 1 week (to build the drug into my system) and then reduce the arimdex to say .05 every other day? Lol.... Really afraid of water weight and "bulking" as opposed to LBM

 

[J_Fox23]

What are your stats bro?

 

[Redraider]

Age: 28
180 lbs
BF-15%ish (guess)
5 ft 9in

Broad shoulders/ Stocky build

 

[GriffCity]

I like it.. Im doing the exact same cycle right now except 300mg/wk test and 100mg ed var. I know this is a bodybuilding forum but im nt a competitive bodybuilder. Im tall and have an athletic frame not meant for crazy mass. I have been around juice for a long time and have done 600mg/wk of Sustanon (sust) before and got big but also had some sides. I went to the doctor and got a req sheet for bloodwork and talked in lenght about testosterone and he informed me that his patients who receive IM testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) get 150mg/week. Obviously you might see greater gains on cycle from 500/600 mg, duh, simple math but how much of that extra gain are you actually realistically going to retain??

I wanted to gain some size but also strength and retain as much as possible post-cycle soe that is why i chose 300mg/k test enth and 100mg/ed var
I love the results so far, its basically perfect. Skin is a bit oily but thats an easy fix and the gains are great plus look amazing without much bloat.
Yes even 300 mg.wk of test is going to shut down your natural production but its easier to bounce back from post cycle.
If youre looking for what i was looking for which is a rare bulking/cutting cycle in one shot, this is it.
Not great for serious lifters who are looking for max gains period but for someone satisfied with their overall image and just looking for a little boost, its great.
Also, Arimidex on cycle and Nolva PCT as well as clomid if you want. HCG not a terrible idea but maybe can do without

 

[Redraider]

I like it.. Im doing the exact same cycle right now except 300mg/wk test and 100mg ed var. I know this is a bodybuilding forum but im nt a competitive bodybuilder. Im tall and have an athletic frame not meant for crazy mass. I have been around juice for a long time and have done 600mg/wk of Sustanon (sust) before and got big but also had some sides. I went to the doctor and got a req sheet for bloodwork and talked in lenght about testosterone and he informed me that his patients who receive IM testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) get 150mg/week. Obviously you might see greater gains on cycle from 500/600 mg, duh, simple math but how much of that extra gain are you actually realistically going to retain??

I wanted to gain some size but also strength and retain as much as possible post-cycle soe that is why i chose 300mg/k test enth and 100mg/ed var
I love the results so far, its basically perfect. Skin is a bit oily but thats an easy fix and the gains are great plus look amazing without much bloat.
Yes even 300 mg.wk of test is going to shut down your natural production but its easier to bounce back from post cycle.
If youre looking for what i was looking for which is a rare bulking/cutting cycle in one shot, this is it.
Not great for serious lifters who are looking for max gains period but for someone satisfied with their overall image and just looking for a little boost, its great.
Also, Arimidex on cycle and Nolva PCT as well as clomid if you want. HCG not a terrible idea but maybe can do without

Looks like you and I are looking for the same results with basically the same approach.

I have HCG,Nolva,Clomid,Arimdex.

I have already done 1/2 CC of test 250.

I would really like to get in the 300-375mg/week mark. Is it worth it to purchase another bottle of test or should I stay at 250 ew? I feel like 300 would be perfect 375 might give some added water weight.

How/when should I administer the HCG and the arimdex?

Thanks in advance!!

 

[GriffCity]

Looks like you and I are looking for the same results with basically the same approach.

I have HCG,Nolva,Clomid,Arimdex.

I have already done 1/2 CC of test 250.

I would really like to get in the 300-375mg/week mark. Is it worth it to purchase another bottle of test or should I stay at 250 ew? I feel like 300 would be perfect 375 might give some added water weight.

How/when should I administer the HCG and the arimdex?

Thanks in advance!!

Yes its worth it, test is relatively cheap compared to var. Not a huge difference between 250 and 300 mgs though.
Adex should be ran along side your cycle, now since you are at 250mgs of test, 0.25mg ed should be fine depending if you're prone to estrogenic sides or not. If you are, i wouldnt up the dosage if u have nolva, just run nolva at about 20-30 mgs ed.
HCG may not be required but if you like there are varying school of thought on how to dose while on cycle. Personally i dont run HCG on cycle but instead as part of PCT to stimulate the gonads. 250iu x 2 a week for 500iu/wk for 2 weeks should be sufficient as a low dose "blast". Ive never used in on cycle but some people argue its the way to go.
once u finish your last shot, if youre already using nolva stay on it for the next 2 weeks and begin a 3 week clomid phase, couple weeks after that, get blood work, make sure your levels are normal and boom!

 

[Redraider]

Yes its worth it, test is relatively cheap compared to var. Not a huge difference between 250 and 300 mgs though.
Adex should be ran along side your cycle, now since you are at 250mgs of test, 0.25mg ed should be fine depending if you're prone to estrogenic sides or not. If you are, i wouldnt up the dosage if u have nolva, just run nolva at about 20-30 mgs ed.
HCG may not be required but if you like there are varying school of thought on how to dose while on cycle. Personally i dont run HCG on cycle but instead as part of PCT to stimulate the gonads. 250iu x 2 a week for 500iu/wk for 2 weeks should be sufficient as a low dose "blast". Ive never used in on cycle but some people argue its the way to go.
once u finish your last shot, if youre already using nolva stay on it for the next 2 weeks and begin a 3 week clomid phase, couple weeks after that, get blood work, make sure your levels are normal and boom!

I THINK I will use HCG while on cycle. I know HCG is not supposed to be used with Nolva. I was planning on taking Nolva/Clomid for PCT and having extra Nolva on hand in case gyno arises; however, I will be running some amount of arimdex so I would think that the likely hood of gyno happening would be low (but I don't know bc this is my first cycle).

What's the board think dosage wise?

250, 300 - 375 ?

I like the sound of 300 but that is going to leave me with left over test and an awkward amount to boost?

How much arimdex?

 

[Redraider]

Anyone on the test dosage???

Also, I am going crazy waiting for this test e to kick in. Would anyone suggest running prop for the start/end of the cycle?

One last question: Will I have increased libido, good mood, etc. while on test/var?

 

[J_Fox23]

I was gonna suggest using prop instead you hold less water and don't cycle it as long as test e or cyp, but you will have an increased libido. You'll be at the gym and you'll notice girls you've never even seen before hahaha.

 

[Redraider]

I was gonna suggest using prop instead you hold less water and don't cycle it as long as test e or cyp, but you will have an increased libido. You'll be at the gym and you'll notice girls you've never even seen before hahaha.

I am highly considering running prop to start the cycle. I have already done .05 of test e and have my next .05 today. I am concerned with the following:

Frequent injections
Converting the test E to prop at the right time
When to dose the Anavar (var)

Basically I'm making my cycle pretty complicated.

My other thought is to take the ana Anavar (var) earlier (before the test kicks in) all the way through the end of the cycle. (Roughly 8 weeks).

Will the Anavar (var) kill the libido on a low dose of test?

ANY SUGGESSTIONS are appreciated. I am racking my brain!!!

 

[J_Fox23]

Well to answer the first part test is test. The only difference is the esters.

 

[KingBF]

Anyone on the test dosage???

Also, I am going crazy waiting for this test e to kick in. Would anyone suggest running prop for the start/end of the cycle?

One last question: Will I have increased libido, good mood, etc. while on test/var?

yea at 250mg's a week you'll probably never feel it kick in. bump to 500mg's wk. your diet will reflect bloat

 

[KingBF]

I was gonna suggest using prop instead you hold less water and don't cycle it as long as test e or cyp, but you will have an increased libido. You'll be at the gym and you'll notice girls you've never even seen before hahaha.

test is test. bloat comes from your diet and not keeping your estrogen in check

 

[Redraider]

yea at 250mg's a week you'll probably never feel it kick in. bump to 500mg's wk. your diet will reflect bloat

I understand that test is test however at what point do you stop the prop and let the enanthate kick in? Seems to me like there will be a fluctuation of test levels at this transition.

 

[GriffCity]

Pin prop at 100mg ed for 2 weeks then switch to your desired test enth x2/wk and up it to at least 300mg. Like i said above im running 300mg with 100mg Anavar (var) and i am looking bigger everyday and loving the strength gains. Feel like a beast.
Good luck