Low test high tren GYNO on CYCLE PLEASE HELP!

[winkdogydog101]

So because I know this will be first question stats are:

26 years old

been lifting since 16 seriously 5 days a week since 20

6'1 current 12% bf

2 cycles of test E for 8-10 weeks at 300-400mgs

last cycle was 500mgs test e and 250mgs tren e


So I did a lot of research on low test high tren and it made a lot of sense

so current cycle is 200mg test c and 400 mgs tren e and 500mgs mast e

this cycle for me was for cutting down to 6-7% bf for the summer. What happened was I was on .5 adex ed and my joints started to hurt and I didnt have any high estrogen signs so I went down to .25 ed and then EOD. Well 2 weeks into EOD while on the curling bench for arm day I pressed my chest and felt sensitivity. In less than 4 days I have a dime sized lump under both nipples.

I am currently on week 5 1/2. I am prepared for this however I have Letro on hand. So for the last 4 days I have been letro 2.5 mgs EOD and I feel nothing. I have purchased it from a reputable source but they changed their bottles so perhaps their quality isnt as good? Last time I ran into gyno in the tren cycle I was lump free at 5 day mark 1.25 mgs eod with letro.


So I could use some some help with people who know low test high Nor types. Thanks man hopefully I can get some good advice. I have currently been hitting 1mg of adex ed and 2.5 mgs letro eod. I have not fallen off the adex because I dont want to add to the rebound I have already created however I am dosing out the adex 2 times a day to equal the 1mg.

 

[clman8585]

Get some raloxifene stat in order to halt g yno progression. In the meantime..get blood work done to see whats going on.

 

[winkdogydog101]

Thanks for the reply man I have a appointment on Friday to get labs done for test, estr, and prolactin

 

[winkdogydog101]

and would clomid as a serm suffice?

 

[Megatron28]

and would clomid as a serm suffice?

As stated, you want raloxifene. Tamoxifen would be the next best choice.

Make sure you have a doctor examine you to make sure it really is gyno. Lots of guys think they have gyno and they really do not. I am surprised you would get gyno on your current cycle. You aren't running much stuff that is aromatizable. Have you dealt with gyno in the past? Are you super sensitive to gyno?

 

[bonexyster]

I would definitely guess prolactin. If you can squeeze around your nipple and get any liquid out then it is without a doubt prolactin. Grab some pramipexole it's cheap and works well for prolactin. Clomid is a must for that cycle and you can use tamoxifen but i would suggest examstane eod or even better Iif you can get some atd take 25mg eod with the clomid.

 

[winkdogydog101]

Also raloxifene? Sorry maybe I am just not in the inner circle of all the new stuff coming out but I am reading it and it seems to just pretty much be nolva that can be taken with 19nors?

 

[winkdogydog101]

I have never had prolactin gyno however no liquid comes out I did wonder about that myself. And I have had gyno flare in the past and it seems to just be a little worse then the last time I had a flare

 

[bonexyster]

Nolva and tamoxifen can increase prolactin with nors. That's why I suggested examstane or atd. If you think it a case of gyro then trade your ai your running out for letro and it should help clear it up.

 

[winkdogydog101]

well thats what I am slightly worried about last time I had a flare with a dime sized this same companies letro got rid of it within 8-10 days but the lump seems to be resisting the letro and adex nothings working to get it smaller so I am worried I will add clomid for now to see if that helps any.

 

[bonexyster]

Have you quit the cycle? If you're cycling save the clomid till pct. Clomid has no ability to shrink or help gyno. If the knot is directly behind the nipple I suggest running letro with pramipexole. And quit the cycle to clear up the problem. If it doesn't clear you need to see a dr. It maybe a number of things.

 

[lachrymist]

If you did your research and knew you were sensitive from getting a "lump" before why arent you taking prami or caber?

 

[Rida5d]

Running nolvadex with 19 Nors is ok.
Not running them Is an old school myth.

 

[bonexyster]

Running nolvadex with 19 Nors is ok.
Not running them Is an old school myth.

Really? I wasn't aware the protocol had changed. Are their studies that back this theory?

 

[tbonexl]

Yea austinite made a thread. Tbh, I've always used nolva with an ai in whatever cycle I was on if gyno ever flared up.

Reading some of your posts boney is a bit confusing. Tamox and nolva are the same thing. Then u posted Clomid is a must on cycle. Very confusing...

 

[bonexyster]

Yea austinite made a thread. Tbh, I've always used nolva with an ai in whatever cycle I was on if gyno ever flared up.

Reading some of your posts boney is a bit confusing. Tamox and nolva are the same thing. Then u posted Clomid is a must on cycle. Very confusing...

Yea I emphasized nolva and tamox cause I assume someone with no experience wouldn't know they are the same thing. I do condone Clomid every cycle. It's good stuff. I personally see no reason why it shouldn't be a staple in pct. I'm so glad I'm on trt i hated pct tamox used to kill my joints and so did atd. I'm not real sure what you mean by confusing I try to be very simplified for the noobs. I'm not claiming to be the most knowledgeable cause I don't have a lot of knowledge in many areas. But I know basics and I enjoy learning. Just like when Rida5d informed me of the tamox is ok with a nor. I didn't know that but isn't that why we are here? Why you gotta try and put me on blast instead of just asking me? I don't gotta problem if I'm wrong I rather be given the right info.

 

[tbonexl]

I think u read into it too much. It made u sound like clomid should be used during cycle for gyno or whatever since its a serm. U did mention it won't do shit for gyno which is true. I'm not picking on u, I was just a little confused by your posts. I'm sure maybe a noob could've taken it out of context too.

I'm not shy with the call outs. I wasn't trying to call u out. My apologies.

 

[bonexyster]

I totally agree that bad advice should be called out especially when people's health is at risk. I appreciate you clarifying that for me. I will definitely attempt to be more grammatically clear on post i understand it is important.

 

[tbonexl]

Not picking on u. I don't have any problems with ya lol

 

[bonexyster]

It's koo my brother I reread it. The poor guy probably was like wtf is this, this guy done went full retard. Hahaha