Lowering Prolactin - What works... and what doesnt

[horusculture]

I took .5 of prami last night before bed and I couldn't sleep what so ever. I would toss n turn. Fall asleep for 10min n wake wake up again. It was terrible n frustrating. My boy took same dose n same thing happen to him. And we both woke up w headaches. I took it at night bc people on here were saying it makes u pass out. .. not for me. No nautious feeling. Just insomnia are u supposed to eat with it? I had a protein shake

 

[horusculture]

I took .5 of prami last night before bed and I couldn't sleep what so ever. I would toss n turn. Fall asleep for 10min n wake wake up again. It was terrible n frustrating. My boy took same dose n same thing happen to him. And we both woke up w headaches. I took it at night bc people on here were saying it makes u pass out. .. not for me. No nautious feeling. Just insomnia are u supposed to eat with it? I had a protein shake

Should I stick it out or no? I think ima take off from gym today. Feel weak as shit

 

[jedi_master]

Its up to you brother. Depending whether or not you already have elevated prolactin or if you are running the prami for prevention there are 2 different dosages.

If you are using for prevention and think you can manage the sides then you might as well stick it out a bit longer as MeatHead said he got used to it after a while. If you already have high prolactin and you are trying to lower it, I personally dont feel its strong enough for this purpose and you will have to run a significantly higher dose than a preventative dose which comes with even more sides, so if thats the case id look for some caber.

My thoughts are that if it affects sleep and lifting it has no place in my cycle when there are more effective options with no sides.

Hope this helps!

Should I stick it out or no? I think ima take off from gym today. Feel weak as shit

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Hey Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Although PRL and PGR are 2 different problems there is a DIRECT link between the two.




And whether or not Tren has much of an affinity to the PGR receptors Tren raises prolactin, PERIOD. Some people have no problem running tren and will never lactate. If you are sensitive to prolactin and progesterone then you must run caber if you wish to control your serum prolactin levels and avoid fina-dick as well as puffy lactating nipples.

Thats what I mean though, there is no effect on PGR with tren. As a matter of fact the debate is still out on weather or not Progesterone gyno even exist's, I personally do not think it is even possible to get PRL gyno if your E2 is in check.

The problem is guys let their E2 run wild which can aggravate PRL levels. So was it the tren? or the E2?

I bet money no one has ever got gyno while on a tren only cycle.

You are extrapolating data on females and applying it to male physiology, which is not always very clear.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Hey Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Although PRL and PGR are 2 different problems there is a DIRECT link between the two.




And whether or not Tren has much of an affinity to the PGR receptors Tren raises prolactin, PERIOD. Some people have no problem running tren and will never lactate. If you are sensitive to prolactin and progesterone then you must run caber if you wish to control your serum prolactin levels and avoid fina-dick as well as puffy lactating nipples.

Not so fast on the PERIOD Jedi, I think your statement couldn't be further from the truth on Tren raising PRL. There is no evidence of it whatsoever, and here is a recent study showing no change in PRL. You sure are making quite a few unfounded claims.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Apr;300(4):E650-60. Epub 2011 Jan 25.
17***946;-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate.

Yarrow JF, Conover CF, McCoy SC, Lipinska JA, Santillana CA, Hance JM, Cannady DF, VanPelt TD, Sanchez J, Conrad BP, Pingel JE, Wronski TJ, Borst SE.
Source

VA Medical Center, University of Florida, Gainesville, 32608-1197, USA. jfyarrow@ufl.edu

Abstract

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17***946;-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone, trenbolone does not undergo tissue-specific 5***945;-reduction to form more potent androgens. We tested the hypothesis that trenbolone-enanthate (TREN) might prevent orchiectomy-induced losses in muscle and bone and visceral fat accumulation without increasing prostate mass or resulting in adverse hemoglobin elevations. Male F344 rats aged 3 mo underwent orchiectomy or remained intact and were administered graded doses of TREN, supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate, or vehicle for 29 days. In both intact and orchiectomized animals, all TREN doses and supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate augmented androgen-sensitive levator ani/bulbocavernosus muscle mass by 35-40% above shams (P ***8804; 0.001) and produced a dose-dependent partial protection against orchiectomy-induced total and trabecular bone mineral density losses (P < 0.05) and visceral fat accumulation (P < 0.05). The lowest doses of TREN successfully maintained prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations at sham levels in both intact and orchiectomized animals, whereas supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate and high-dose TREN elevated prostate mass by 84 and 68%, respectively (P < 0.01). In summary, low-dose administration of the non-5***945;-reducible androgen TREN maintains prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations near the level of shams while producing potent myotrophic actions in skeletal muscle and partial protection against orchiectomy-induced bone loss and visceral fat accumulation. Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy.

 

[hardtarget]

Cabergoline is what I would use...

 

[horusculture]

The funny thing is I know 3 dudes personally that ran tren on more than one occasion. None of them ever got gyno. And they don't complain about libidio problems. Granted I dont kno their blood work history.

 

[riprockwell]

It's something I guess I will never know. However, just to play it safe, I always run Caber. And honestly, I do like the sex drive increase I get from it. One thing I do know is that a buddy of mine on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of test was also on Tren and he was lactating. He did some blood work and his E2 was a 22, yet his prolactin levels were super high and over the top of the range. I will see if I can get him to find that blood work to post up. After seeing that, I just played it safe and run Caber with any 19-nor now. I am not saying this is true for everyone, but this is just what I observed.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

It's something I guess I will never know. However, just to play it safe, I always run Caber. And honestly, I do like the sex drive increase I get from it. One thing I do know is that a buddy of mine on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of test was also on Tren and he was lactating. He did some blood work and his E2 was a 22, yet his prolactin levels were super high and over the top of the range. I will see if I can get him to find that blood work to post up. After seeing that, I just played it safe and run Caber with any 19-nor now. I am not saying this is true for everyone, but this is just what I observed.

I am not saying its not possible, I am just not convinced it is from the Tren, could have been prolactinoma.

I have seen 1,000's of blood test. I personally have not come across anyone with really high PRL and low E2, unless it was tuma

 

[riprockwell]

I am not saying its not possible, I am just not convinced it is from the Tren, could have been prolactinoma.

I have seen 1,000's of blood test. I personally have not come across anyone with really high PRL and low E2, unless it was tuma

Yeah I am not saying it was the Tren, but his lab work did strike me as odd. I know you know the ropes with this stuff and look at blood work all day. I will have to look in to prolactinoma and let me buddy know about it. I know around 4 weeks after ending his Tren Ace cycle, he had some lactating but just one day and then things have been fine since then so the whole situation is weird. I do however, love how I feel on Caber. Lol.

 

[DD55]

Welcome back oak, were you on vacation?

 

[horusculture]

Well im droppin my prami. But I would love go have some caber on hand! If anyone knes a domestic source for cabergoline please please pm me. Bc im not fucking with prami. Who wants to take something thats going to make u beat as fuck all day. I had to take off from working out today! Im fuckin pissed. I was going to go anyways but it wouldnt be healthy. Might get a injury or prolong my recovery. I felt like I was dieing today at work. Like dieing. BTW I started prami at .25ml then to .5 ...prami contradicts our lifestyle

 

[jedi_master]

Bizarre! Both myself and a couple guys I know get high prolactin from tren and we all run aromasin throughout our entire cycles.

Regardless if it really is the tren or not, the stars just seem to align and make me lactate every time I cycle tren so I have to run caber with it

I am not saying its not possible, I am just not convinced it is from the tren, could have been prolactinoma.

I have seen 1,000's of blood test. I personally have not come across anyone with really high PRL and low E2, unless it was tuma

 

[SolomonGrundy]

I'm just past 6 weeks on a test and deca cycle, daily aromasin but considering adding a paronoid dose of caber just as a buffer and of course a sex booster , I'm thinking .5 a week since I have no real nesessity and its half life is long.
Jedi and det, you both have experience with this med, is that a resonable starting point without trying to treat a symptom

 

[jedi_master]

If you are using it for preventative measures I think that would be okay!

I am running 500mg test and 500mg tren right now (with daily aromasin as well) and within 2 doses of .5 caber (monday and friday) it had stopped all lactation and was if I had never had any problems. Within one dose my nipples were already less puffy and no longer sensitive and sex drive was up.

This is my first time using caber but Its clearly a very potent compound as everything else I have tried took weeks to build up and do half of what caber has done for me.

I would say once a week should be fine as a preventative dose / for good measure (Although I dont have any bloodwork or science to back it up).

 

[SolomonGrundy]

Thanks, I wanted to give the mp stuff a try and this would be a good starting dose , then up it if I noticed any prolactin sides since I'd imaging I'm just building levels up now after 6 weeks
Next step .5 twice a week

 

[Moppy1]

I have run tren cycles (with Test) over 15 times in past 9 years or so, and religiously within 3-4 weeks of starting Tren my nips get puffy and sore. Tren is by far the worst for me (Dbol is a close second) compared with anything else. I recently tried Prami and it sucked ass!!!! Made me spacey as hell and crazy tired and it did not stop my symptoms, but I guess everyone is different.....but I will never take Prami again. Gonna try Caber next based on this tread!!!! Thanks Jedi!!!!

 

[horusculture]

I am going to try some caber from mp. Got .5 tabs on the way. Been on tren bout 3-4 weeks got 3-4 more weeks left on it. Was planning on doing .5 Mondays n Thursdays. Wat time of the day should I take it?

 

[jedi_master]

I am going to try some caber from mp. Got .5 tabs on the way. Been on tren bout 3-4 weeks got 3-4 more weeks left on it. Was planning on doing .5 Mondays n Thursdays. Wat time of the day should I take it?

I take it with breakfast, I read somewhere it's best first thing in the morning. No idea why but it works.

 

[ktown]

Very good post Jedi .