My experience with TRT

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Alpin

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I wanted to let you all know of my experience with "TRT". In 2004 I cycled once, I was 25. 10 weeks of Test E and some Deca for 3 weeks as well concurrent. I don't know why I got into it but regret it. I always had good energy to work out.
I was off the cycle for a year and felt as though my levels never were quite recovered and so I did blood tests and went to my family doc and he sent me to Endo and nothing came out of it as Endo said I was normal for testosterone. In 2005, I had 2 blood tests a few months apart. One test was Total T was 663 ng/dl and the other was 582 ng/dl.

The testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) clinic I went to had me answer a questionnaire on my health and they said that my answers to these questions on their clinic test indicated I was suffering from low Testosterone.
I was put on HCG (350 i.u. 3 times a week) and Arimidex and told to stay on it...
My total test levels fluctuated from 721 ng/dl - 925 ng/dl
eventually a few years later HCG stopped working and this doc told me to go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after my test levels were 520 ng/dlwhile being on this HCG treatment.
I was put on 160 mg of Test E per week going up to 180 mg/week.
This testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc tries to keep his patients at 865-900 ng/dl of Total Test from what he told me.
During this testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) treatment(2009) I did a sleep study and was diagnosed with very severe sleep apnea...
long story made short I decided to go off the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in june 2012 and just use the machine and see what I could recover in terms of natural Test.
I feel totally pissed. My family doc apologized to me 2 years ago from not diagnosing my sleep apnea for so many years. He just wanted to push pills as much as the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc wanted to push his testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol. Being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is not to be taken lightly, it thickens blood over the long term and you need to be monitored carefully.

I wonder if I will ever recover some reasonable T. being off everything for 5 months(In Jan 2013) I had Total T of 390 ng/dl and lowest Total T Test so far which was 3 months ago was 290 ng/dl. I started lifting again and hoping for the best. I was not training in gym while these tests were taken.
I do feel the CPAP machine has helped me and is what keeps me going at present. I'm sure if I had this machine with my previous 600 ng/dl of Total T at a younger age, I would not be in this mess.

I just feel like doctors jump the gun many times and don't have the total picture before they advise patients.
Not trusting anymore of them that's for sure.
what do you guys think.
 
being off everything now for last 10 months. Anyone know what can kick my HPTA up a bit to get some natural T producing again?
plz advise
 
Not going to pretend to be an expert here, I've been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for less than 6 months, but have done a lot of reading on the topic. Not sure how HCG would treat you at this point, but a full on restart is definitely in order. Like Megatron said, PCT... what did you take after getting off TRT?

Cashout has a pretty interesting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) exit strategy you could look at in the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) stickies. No guarantee you'll ever get yours natty back up to the levels you experienced 10 years ago since you were shutdown for so long, but its worth a try.
 
Ocdude said:
Not going to pretend to be an expert here, I've been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for less than 6 months, but have done a lot of reading on the topic. Not sure how HCG would treat you at this point, but a full on restart is definitely in order. Like Megatron said, PCT... what did you take after getting off TRT?

Cashout has a pretty interesting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) exit strategy you could look at in the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) stickies. No guarantee you'll ever get yours natty back up to the levels you experienced 10 years ago since you were shutdown for so long, but its worth a try.
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I was on Test E for 4 years and the years prior was only HCG. I have a family doc that won't treat my current T levels and he's totally apathetic as to how they are effecting my life. (This is the same one who messed up with not diagnosing sleep apnea). He will go the anti depressant route though!!! that he will !!!
told him I'm not depressed. I just totally hate him. It's hard to find a family doc as most docs wont except new patients...
I used and still use Adex .25 mg EOD or E3D
 
OC dude,
If I'm at best now(age 33) for Total T at 390 ng/dl and my levels at 25 y.o. were 600 ish ng/dl
doubt they will get there again. I have more weight on me now. I was leaner then.
 
APOLLON said:
I was on Test E for 4 years and the years prior was only HCG. I have a family doc that won't treat my current T levels and he's totally apathetic as to how they are effecting my life. (This is the same one who messed up with not diagnosing sleep apnea). He will go the anti depressant route though!!! that he will !!!
told him I'm not depressed. I just totally hate him. It's hard to find a family doc as most docs wont except new patients...
I used and still use Adex .25 mg EOD or E3D
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If you are on Adex alone I hope you are monitoring your bone density.
 
I can relate to that, our family doc primarily focuses on old people... found it odd that a 30 year old would need an EKG and lung volume test when I went in for the first visit with him LOL... but he is definitlely not on the up with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) options, so I talked to a local urologist that specializes in it. He was answering questions I thought for sure he'd try to slip away from or say something completely opposite of what I'd been reading. But he's been very supportive and I'm feeling way better these days!
The problem with Adex is that its meant to control estrogen (its an Aromatase Inhibitor)... so that won't do a thing for bringing back natty test levels. Sounds like your LH and FSH recovered on their own the long/hard way. I'd highly recommend a round of Clomid/Nolva and HCG to see if you can get things pumping full force again. And unless you're just REALLY estrogen sensitive, you shouldn't even need the Adex ever again.
 
APOLLON said:
OC dude,
If I'm at best now(age 33) for Total T at 390 ng/dl and my levels at 25 y.o. were 600 ish ng/dl
doubt they will get there again. I have more weight on me now. I was leaner then.
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I have always heard the Test levels peak in a healthy male around age 40. If there is a chance that you could get your natural test levels restored to the 600+ range you had previously, why would you not want to you? You are obviously miserable. Don't let the experience you previously had with two docs ruin everything for you. There are good docs out there. You have hung around this forum long enough to know who IMT is. They get very good reviews from tons of guys here. Give them a call and see if they can help you. I know they have some well throught out post cycle therapy (pct) protocols.

For the record, I do not use IMT. I am not affiliated with them or have a financial interest in them. I am only impressed by the help they give so many guys around here.
 
Megatron28 said:
I have always heard the Test levels peak in a healthy male around age 40. If there is a chance that you could get your natural test levels restored to the 600+ range you had previously, why would you not want to you? You are obviously miserable. Don't let the experience you previously had with two docs ruin everything for you. There are good docs out there. You have hung around this forum long enough to know who IMT is. They get very good reviews from tons of guys here. Give them a call and see if they can help you. I know they have some well throught out post cycle therapy (pct) protocols.

For the record, I do not use IMT. I am not affiliated with them or have a financial interest in them. I am only impressed by the help they give so many guys around here.
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Thanks for advice. I remember being signed up on this site years ago and just recently returned.
I have my blood work for FSH and LH. I did two blood works since Jan 2013.

(I did this test at 10:45 am....long line up didn't expect so many people to turn out there)
Jan 2013
TOTAL TEST: 390 ng/dl (range: 219-905 ng/dl)
LH: 3 (range: 2-9 IU/L)
FSH: 2 (range: 2-12 IU/L)

March 2013 this test done at 8:30 a.m. my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc does not like this lab...he told me many of his patients get screwed up results.
TOTAL TEST: 288 ng/dl (range 173-778 ng/dl)
LH 3.4 (range: 1.2-8.6 IU/L)
FSH 2.6 (range: 1.3-19.3 IU/L)
 
APOLLON said:
Thanks for advice. I remember being signed up on this site years ago and just recently returned.
I have my blood work for FSH and LH. I did two blood works since Jan 2013.

(I did this test at 10:45 am....long line up didn't expect so many people to turn out there)
Jan 2013
TOTAL TEST: 390 ng/dl (range: 219-905 ng/dl)
LH: 3 (range: 2-9 IU/L)
FSH: 2 (range: 2-12 IU/L)

March 2013 this test done at 8:30 a.m. my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc does not like this lab...he told me many of his patients get screwed up results.
TOTAL TEST: 288 ng/dl (range 173-778 ng/dl)
LH 3.4 (range: 1.2-8.6 IU/L)
FSH 2.6 (range: 1.3-19.3 IU/L)
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Here is some information about Hypogonadism that you may find useful. It is from the American Assocation of Clinical Endocrinologists.

https://aace.com/files/hypo-gonadism.pdf

Read the parts about Hypogonadotropic Hypogonadism (i.e. Secondary Hypogonadism) and Dynamic Tests (i.e. PCT).

You will also note that it suggests having Total Testosterone below 319 ng/dL constitutes being a candidate for therapy. This is obviously up for interpretation and depends on what other symptoms/issues you have.

On a lighter side, do you realize that being grumpy and cranky are signs of having low testosterone? And I must say, you may be the grumpiest and crankiest Canadian I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. :-)
 
Yes, I am grumpy. I have rage too and irritable.
I signed up on that IMT site and can't access it by signing in my password...weird
I read a few articles though.
I wonder if taking just clomid at 50 mg/day for a month or two will help....
is there any side effects with clomid???
 
APOLLON said:
Yes, I am grumpy. I have rage too and irritable.
I signed up on that IMT site and can't access it by signing in my password...weird
I read a few articles though.
I wonder if taking just clomid at 50 mg/day for a month or two will help....
is there any side effects with clomid???
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I don't think IMT can have you as a client.

Could use the search on a4m.com for your neck of the woods.

For clomid I'd try 12.5mg eod or even every 3 days.
 
1693 said:
I don't think IMT can have you as a client.

Could use the search on a4m.com for your neck of the woods.

For clomid I'd try 12.5mg eod or even every 3 days.
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Just curious why they can't have me as a client?
 
Because I don't think a doc can write a script for someone in another country unless they are licensed to practice there too.
 
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