My First Cycle - Anavar Only

[JD284]

Hi guys, this is my first post as well. Been researching this for a while and decided to give it a shot.

Stats:
Age: 24 (25 in September)
Weightlifting/Training Experience: 6 years
Weight: 198 (Pre Cycle) 210 (Post cycle)
Height: 5'10
BF %: estimate around 11%?

Cycle Details:

Pre load Liver Complex for 2 weeks (4/1/13 - 4/15/13) - Milk Thistle and NAC mix

Week 1: 4/15 - 4/22: 40mg
Week 2: 4/22 - 4/29: 80mg
Week 3: 4/29 - 5/6: 80mg
Week 4: 5/6 - 5/13: 80mg
Week 5: 5/13 - 5/20: 80mg
Week 6: 5/20 - 5/27: 80mg


Supplement Stack: Here is where I made some mistakes, which may have caused the lethargy. I took C4/Hypershred weeks 1-5, when i didnt really need it weeks 3, 4 and 5.

On Cycle Stack (On top of Whey Conc, Iso, and Elite XT)
Liver Complex + Lecheek Cycle Armor
Maca
HCGenerate
Orange Triad (multi)
ZMA + LDOPA before bed

Diet: Chicken, Rice, Eggs, Veggies. Mostly a cleran diet but I went out a few times.

PCT - Clomid / AD-3 (Arimistane)
Week 1: 5/27 - 6/3: 50mg / 2 caps
Week 2: 6/3 - 6/10: 50mg / 2 caps
Week 3: 6/10 - 6/17: 50mg / 2 caps


Log:
Week 1: No effect, some hardness by day 7
Week 2: Hardness, vascularity noticeable by day 14
Week 3: This week was nuts - the pumps at the gym hurt. I thought my arms were gonna pop
Week 4: above+ back pumps
Week 5: above + lethargy
Week 6: above + extreme lethargy (eat, sleep, work, workout), a little dizziness too.

All the sides from weeks 5 and 6 are gone now, week 1 post cycle therapy (pct) is complete. Towards the end of my cycle i did have a few drinks on a couple nights so maybe thats what thru me off - i know that's a "no no" so I wont be slipping again.

Results:
Before:View attachment 551376
After: View attachment 551377


Next cycle I would like some feedback from the community here:

Looking to do a bulking cycle as my 1st was a cutting. NOT afraid of pinning.

Idea 1: (8- 10 weeks)
Base: Anavar (var) cycle w/ test e
On Cycle: N2Guard or Aegis
PCT: Clomid + Nolva + AD-3 + HCgenerate

Idea 2: (4 weeks)
Base: Hdrol + epistane
On Cycle: N2Guard or Aegis
PCT: Clomid + Nolva + AD-3 + HCgenerate

Idea 3: (3 weeks)
Base: GP Superdrol
On Cycle: N2Guard
PCT: Clomid + Nolva + AD-3 + HCgenerate

Idea 4 on the wild side:
Base: Cut Stack EOD (Tren A, Test P, Mast 50mg each) + Anavar (var) ED
On Cycle: N2Guard
PCT: Clomid + Nolva + AD-3 + HCgenerate


Thanks in advance, looking forward to hearing back!

- J

 

[DreDay187]

If you've researched on here a while you'll know not many ppl are going to advise an oral or ph only cycle so that pretty much is a no for #2 and 3 and after an oral only cycle you're def not ready for tren and a 19nor as you don't even know what plain old testosterone will do to you in terms of sides effects and the management of them. That leaves you with option one being the best.

Also if you've slipped once in regards to drinking, while knowing its a no no, what's to stop you from doing it again? You have to be honest with yourself here: if you can't go a 6wk cycle without drinking for an oral what's to make you stop for 10+wks of test and Anavar (var) ? You also just got off a suppressive cycle, how long are you planning on staying off before hopping back on another? You should give it some thought if you're planning on jump on track on right after completing PCT.

Option #1 is my recommendation but you could even do it without the Anavar (var) and get great results. Since test E is a longer acting ester and takes roughly 4-6wks to kick in you should rethink the length of the cycle and do a 12wk minimum

 

[Metalhead]

^^^agree 100%

Op you need to read this
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...t-cycle.html?highlight=cycleing+for+beginners

 

[JD284]

If you've researched on here a while you'll know not many ppl are going to advise an oral or ph only cycle so that pretty much is a no for #2 and 3 and after an oral only cycle you're def not ready for tren and a 19nor as you don't even know what plain old testosterone will do to you in terms of sides effects and the management of them. That leaves you with option one being the best.

Also if you've slipped once in regards to drinking, while knowing its a no no, what's to stop you from doing it again? You have to be honest with yourself here: if you can't go a 6wk cycle without drinking for an oral what's to make you stop for 10+wks of test and Anavar (var) ? You also just got off a suppressive cycle, how long are you planning on staying off before hopping back on another? You should give it some thought if you're planning on jump on track on right after completing PCT.

Option #1 is my recommendation but you could even do it without the Anavar (var) and get great results. Since test E is a longer acting ester and takes roughly 4-6wks to kick in you should rethink the length of the cycle and do a 12wk minimum

Thanks for your response Doc. I was leaning towards #1 myself, or even just test only as you suggested. I did not notice any effect on libido during this cycle.

Regarding next cycle, most likely October or November should be adequate for recovery time. I just wanted to get some ideas for what would be a step up from what I've done. Like you also mentioned, oral only is "against the grain" - and after having positive results with this cycle I would be able to devote 12 weeks to another. I do realize that what I achieved could have been done without the Anavar (var) , especially at my age. Train hard, eat to grow, and eat clean with proper rest. I suppose if I did want to do a shorter cycle I could do test p - but the Anavar (var) might be a nice kick start to a longer cycle.

 

[JD284]

^^^agree 100%

Op you need to read this
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/642622-cycleing-beginners-guide-your-first-cycle.html?highlight=cycleing+for+beginners

Thanks, will read thru!

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks for your response Doc. I was leaning towards #1 myself, or even just test only as you suggested. I did not notice any effect on libido during this cycle.

Regarding next cycle, most likely October or November should be adequate for recovery time. I just wanted to get some ideas for what would be a step up from what I've done. Like you also mentioned, oral only is "against the grain" - and after having positive results with this cycle I would be able to devote 12 weeks to another. I do realize that what I achieved could have been done without the Anavar (var) , especially at my age. Train hard, eat to grow, and eat clean with proper rest. I suppose if I did want to do a shorter cycle I could do test p - but the Anavar (var) might be a nice kick start to a longer cycle.

No problem man, just trying to make sure you go about this in the safest and most productive way. I would def stick with test only as my first choice (right now on wk 8 of only test e myself) but if you're adamant about the Anavar (var) , add it since you've had the experience of it to the last weeks of your cycle. Also just because you noticed no libido effects does not mean your HPTA did not get suppressed. Orals are not recommended as the sole compound in a cycle for that very same reason, they inhibit the bodies natural testosterone production and without testosterone as a base in a cycle, you lose out on its benefits. If you had gotten blood work done you'd have seen your LH and FSH numbers dropped during cycle. Again effects in libido are not an accurate indicator of endogenous testosterone production.

November wouldn't be a bad time to start and would give you enough down time! I mentioned the time and devotion not to sticking to the cycle itself, but more if you could go that long without alcohol. Injectables should still not be taken with alcohol even though it may not be as damaging as orals. Test P would be a shorter cycle probably, faster kick in time, but you'd also be pinning EOD at least. Pinning doesn't bother me either but can be a pain in the ass to have to do it all the time lol. You can run the Anavar (var) at the beginning or end, its your choice, but I would go with the end seeing as it has muscle hardening properties and can take water out of the muscle. It will help you keep your gains going towards the end of the cycle strength wise and help drop some water weight after you gain some from the test.

If you do test or test/ Anavar (var) you will need to research AI's and possibly Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for your cycle too. HCGenerate is NOT the same as HCG. And that link Metalhead posted you to is a great read to get some info from.