My New Cycle For Lean Mass Please Critique

[CYBER_COUNTER]

Hello all
I'm planning 8 weeks aas cycle for Lean Mass. My last cycle was 750 sust+ 4 iu HGH
CURRENT STATS
Training experience 13 years.
32 years old
168 cm/5.5 feet
75 kg
bf:%13-14
________________________________________
Planning This Cycle
Week 1-8: Test Propionate …………………………100mg EOD
Week 1-8: Tren Acetate………………………..……100mg EOD
Week 1-8: Masteron???………………………………..100 mg EOD
Week 1-8: Salbutamol……………………………..20mg/day (with ketotifen 1mg/day)
Week 1-8: Arimidex ………………………………….0,5mg (Every Other Day)
Week 1-8: HCG ……………………………………….500 iu (Monday and Thursday 250 iu x2)
Week 9: HCG.....................................2000 iu (Monday and Thursday 1000iu x2)
Week 9: Arimidex................................0,5mg (ED)
PCT (5 days after last injection):
Week 1-5: Clomid: 100+100+50+50+50 mg
Week 1-5: Nolvadex : 40+40+20+20+20 mg

For the puspose of this cycle, should i change masteron to different drug or it is good for lean mass too??
And sorry for my bad English

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

Hey bro, what cycle number is this for you? why add mast to this? that is alot of compounds to use, what is your cycle goal?

 

[scorob777]

Hey, yes masteron would be a great addition.

Seems like a lot of Adex 0.5 mg EOD for 350 mg/wk test. For me that would be 3 to 4x too much. And week 9 0.5 Adex ED? Wow, you probably wouldn't have much E2 to shake a stick at going into week 9, then bam you'd knock it to zero, which sucks.

 

[Cohibabol]

That's become a classic cycle. Especially with masteron in the mix, that also seems like a lot of adex to me but you can easily fine tune that.

I'd want cabergoline on hand whenever running a 19-Nor like tren. You'll thank me.

But that's become a go-to stack for many men I know and the masteron seems to work very well with tren for people who like tren.

I personally can't handle the insomnia and night sweats, though and that's even on doses of just 50mg EOD.

 

[PROSPECT]

Hey, yes masteron would be a great addition.

Seems like a lot of Adex 0.5 mg EOD for 350 mg/wk test. For me that would be 3 to 4x too much. And week 9 0.5 Adex ED? Wow, you probably wouldn't have much E2 to shake a stick at going into week 9, then bam you'd knock it to zero, which sucks.

Agreed. I don't run arimidex anymore, but if I did, that would be way too much for me. Maybe .25mg E3D is what I'd do. I now run aromasin, and I like 12.5mg E3D. I know most do EOD, but E3D works much better for me. More than that, and my E2 is too low.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Hey bro, what cycle number is this for you? why add mast to this? that is alot of compounds to use, what is your cycle goal?

I gotta go and agree with this. There really is no reason to add Mast if you are using Tren. Ya know this would be more evident if you read up on the two compound's Profiles. Generally speaking many times in life, less is more. Or you could look at it like , that the one suffices and is all you need.

I would go with adding `more time to the cycle because IMOP 8 weeks is not enough time to get all the synergistic activities needed to process the building of LMM. I suggest 8 weeks of Tren and 12 weeks of low dose Test "E" . YOU can cut on Test as long as diet is right and the test is the base off what all the cycles need.

 

[CYBER_COUNTER]

Hey bro, what cycle number is this for you? why add mast to this? that is alot of compounds to use, what is your cycle goal?

I gotta go and agree with this. There really is no reason to add Mast if you are using Tren. Ya know this would be more evident if you read up on the two compound's Profiles. Generally speaking many times in life, less is more. Or you could look at it like , that the one suffices and is all you need.

I would go with adding `more time to the cycle because IMOP 8 weeks is not enough time to get all the synergistic activities needed to process the building of LMM. I suggest 8 weeks of Tren and 12 weeks of low dose Test "E" . YOU can cut on Test as long as diet is right and the test is the base off what all the cycles need.

Agreed. I don't run arimidex anymore, but if I did, that would be way too much for me. Maybe .25mg E3D is what I'd do. I now run aromasin, and I like 12.5mg E3D. I know most do EOD, but E3D works much better for me. More than that, and my E2 is too low.

That's become a classic cycle. Especially with masteron in the mix, that also seems like a lot of adex to me but you can easily fine tune that.

I'd want cabergoline on hand whenever running a 19-Nor like tren. You'll thank me.

But that's become a go-to stack for many men I know and the masteron seems to work very well with tren for people who like tren.

I personally can't handle the insomnia and night sweats, though and that's even on doses of just 50mg EOD.

Hey, yes masteron would be a great addition.

Seems like a lot of Adex 0.5 mg EOD for 350 mg/wk test. For me that would be 3 to 4x too much. And week 9 0.5 Adex ED? Wow, you probably wouldn't have much E2 to shake a stick at going into week 9, then bam you'd knock it to zero, which sucks.

hi
This will be my 4th cycle (actually 5th. But 2nd was fake gear) but I do not use steroids regularly (maybe once a year for plateau) My goal is lean mass

Ok i will lower the arimidex dose. By the way, do i start to use cabergoline at the begining of the cycle or wait until see some side affects?

 

[scorob777]

hi
This will be my 4th cycle (actually 5th. But 2nd was fake gear) but I do not use steroids regularly (maybe once a year for plateau) My goal is lean mass

Ok i will lower the arimidex dose. By the way, do i start to use cabergoline at the begining of the cycle or wait until see some side affects?

I doubt you would need caber at all with 350 mg/wk of a 19-nor, especially if you keep your E2 clamped way down like you have described (maybe too low on E2), but if you want to take some caber then wait a week or so to start and 0.25 mg E3.5D should do.

 

[copaseet]

Hello all
I'm planning 8 weeks aas cycle for Lean Mass. My last cycle was 750 sust+ 4 iu HGH
CURRENT STATS
Training experience 13 years.
32 years old
168 cm/5.5 feet
75 kg
bf:%13-14
________________________________________
Planning This Cycle
Week 1-8: Test Propionate ***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;100mg EOD
Week 1-8: Tren Acetate***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;..***8230;***8230;100mg EOD
Week 1-8: Masteron???***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;..100 mg EOD
Week 1-8: Salbutamol***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;..20mg/day (with ketotifen 1mg/day)
Week 1-8: Arimidex ***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.0,5mg (Every Other Day)
Week 1-8: HCG ***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.500 iu (Monday and Thursday 250 iu x2)
Week 9: HCG.....................................2000 iu (Monday and Thursday 1000iu x2)
Week 9: Arimidex................................0,5mg (ED)
PCT (5 days after last injection):
Week 1-5: Clomid: 100+100+50+50+50 mg
Week 1-5: Nolvadex : 40+40+20+20+20 mg

For the puspose of this cycle, should i change masteron to different drug or it is good for lean mass too??
And sorry for my bad English

Lean mass for me would mean a longer cycle and slow acting Ester's... I would go 16 weeks...

500mg Test E a week
300mg Deca a week
300mg EQ a week

 

[CYBER_COUNTER]

Hey bro, what cycle number is this for you? why add mast to this? that is alot of compounds to use, what is your cycle goal?

Hey, yes masteron would be a great addition.

Seems like a lot of Adex 0.5 mg EOD for 350 mg/wk test. For me that would be 3 to 4x too much. And week 9 0.5 Adex ED? Wow, you probably wouldn't have much E2 to shake a stick at going into week 9, then bam you'd knock it to zero, which sucks.

That's become a classic cycle. Especially with masteron in the mix, that also seems like a lot of adex to me but you can easily fine tune that.

I'd want cabergoline on hand whenever running a 19-Nor like tren. You'll thank me.

But that's become a go-to stack for many men I know and the masteron seems to work very well with tren for people who like tren.

I personally can't handle the insomnia and night sweats, though and that's even on doses of just 50mg EOD.

Agreed. I don't run arimidex anymore, but if I did, that would be way too much for me. Maybe .25mg E3D is what I'd do. I now run aromasin, and I like 12.5mg E3D. I know most do EOD, but E3D works much better for me. More than that, and my E2 is too low.

I gotta go and agree with this. There really is no reason to add Mast if you are using Tren. Ya know this would be more evident if you read up on the two compound's Profiles. Generally speaking many times in life, less is more. Or you could look at it like , that the one suffices and is all you need.

I would go with adding `more time to the cycle because IMOP 8 weeks is not enough time to get all the synergistic activities needed to process the building of LMM. I suggest 8 weeks of Tren and 12 weeks of low dose Test "E" . YOU can cut on Test as long as diet is right and the test is the base off what all the cycles need.

Lean mass for me would mean a longer cycle and slow acting Ester's... I would go 16 weeks...

500mg Test E a week
300mg Deca a week
300mg EQ a week

Hi
Thanks for your help guys. One more question: i did find HCG name called Choriomon by IBSA.
And label says: This drug should store at room temperature below 25 degree C i mean, i cant be sure is this HCG?? And can be any problem if i use bacteriostatic water for this brand for multi use?

 

[oldmusclemike]

So what I got was you are still adding the Mast? If so , be it your thing however I can't understand why when Tren is G2G. for what you want.

Do you have a good understanding of what all has to happen to build new LMM ? And in only 8 weeks. Do you know that a man can only grow / build 15-20 lbs in one (1) year... Yep that's it. SO what do you think you are going to GROW in 8 week. You should read up on some of the facts of growing lbs. of LMM in a year. I just got done explaining it on another thread. Hell I am not trying to push the extended use of steroids but a more safe and more efficient way. Get the most of a cycle without using more compounds. Keep it simple.

Your choice and I mean NO offence at all. Maybe I can find the thread n post for you...

Good luck


Here Read this, a guy wants to grow bigger arms. So in regard to lean muscle mass..... THIS BELOW

Guys are generally mistaking water weight gain and LMM. Any true competitor can tell you because they know by year to year cutting for shows and getting down to their BF% and weight in stats.
Depending on some variables supporting ^^ above 10 - 15 lbs a guy can only gain 15-20lbs of Lean Muscle Mass (LMM) in one (1) year. during a 12 week cycle the average weight gain of LMM is 4-6 pound that is why so many think they have lost all the gains in excess on 10-20 lbs on cycle that's water even if not bloated.

So when you go by the guide of cycle time and appropriate off time a guy does not more then 2-3 cycles a year, ergo 3 times 4-5-6 pounds a year that comes out to 15-18 pounds. And going by China Wall then you might gain the one (1) inch on biceps. Remember the gains are distributed all over the body.

One more example of competitors look at the pro's they may gain just a few pound Olympia to Olympia show. Now as I said the variables are age. The age of mature muscle and years training and the young man can gain up to maybe a little more or the top of the scale. As you age and are a true hard core competitor it becomes sort of diminishing returns as per weigh. BUT the hardness sharpness
and definition continues as seem by the pro's year to year.

 

[oldmusclemike]

PS: OP,

The use of Caber is to lower your Prolactin if it rises out of the high range. The effects will be Anorgasmia ( difficult to orgasm) you really don't need to take it until you have some symptoms which most always begin with ED, ergo the use of Cialis and resulting in needing Cabergoline.


Nothing more frustrating then the inability to fire your gun.

 

[CYBER_COUNTER]

So what I got was you are still adding the Mast? If so , be it your thing however I can't understand why when Tren is G2G. for what you want.

Do you have a good understanding of what all has to happen to build new LMM ? And in only 8 weeks. Do you know that a man can only grow / build 15-20 lbs in one (1) year... Yep that's it. SO what do you think you are going to GROW in 8 week. You should read up on some of the facts of growing lbs. of LMM in a year. I just got done explaining it on another thread. Hell I am not trying to push the extended use of steroids but a more safe and more efficient way. Get the most of a cycle without using more compounds. Keep it simple.

Your choice and I mean NO offence at all. Maybe I can find the thread n post for you...

Good luck


Here Read this, a guy wants to grow bigger arms. So in regard to lean muscle mass..... THIS BELOW

Guys are generally mistaking water weight gain and LMM. Any true competitor can tell you because they know by year to year cutting for shows and getting down to their BF% and weight in stats.
Depending on some variables supporting ...

ok i understand. So what do you recommend if i chance this cycle? Is Test prop + tren ace without mast still good choice or ?????

by the way, i dont want to extend my cycle duration(if possible). Bcs what i learned from my past experiences, 8 week cycles is perfect for me to recover

 

[oldmusclemike]

ok i understand. So what do you recommend if i chance this cycle? Is Test prop + tren ace without mast still good choice or ?????

by the way, i dont want to extend my cycle duration(if possible). Bcs what i learned from my past experiences, 8 week cycles is perfect for me to recover

You do not need the mast...OK

Also what is this business of you knowing you can recover with only 8 weeks.... Man do it correctly, efficiently and safely as out protocol and you will recover just fine in a 12 week cycle. Maybe this isn't for you if you are scared. IT takes a lot to grow / build MM and really IMOP and EXPERIENCE more then 8 weeks.

YOU need to study up

 

[scorob777]

I was reading some stuff on recovery and 12 weeks seems to be a sweet spot where most people recover no problems with a good PCT, and you have long enough to make gains. Going beyond 12 weeks starts to make recovery more difficult / uncertain.

 

[CYBER_COUNTER]

You do not need the mast...OK

Also what is this business of you knowing you can recover with only 8 weeks.... Man do it correctly, efficiently and safely as out protocol and you will recover just fine in a 12 week cycle. Maybe this isn't for you if you are scared. IT takes a lot to grow / build MM and really IMOP and EXPERIENCE more then 8 weeks.

YOU need to study up

I was reading some stuff on recovery and 12 weeks seems to be a sweet spot where most people recover no problems with a good PCT, and you have long enough to make gains. Going beyond 12 weeks starts to make recovery more difficult / uncertain.

One of my past cycles was 12 weeks and it was a bad exp. for me I dont know maybe i made a mistake somewhere.

By the way i have one more quesition: do you have any review about LA Pharma? anyone try tren ace and test prop?

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

When are you starting your cycle bro, also if you scroll down here you will see other related threads that might help you out.

 

[oldmusclemike]

One of my past cycles was 12 weeks and it was a bad exp. for me I dont know maybe i made a mistake somewhere.

By the way i have one more quesition: do you have any review about LA Pharma? anyone try tren ace and test prop?

OP no offense But you have said nothing about how it was a bad experience so we cannot comment or advise. BUT listen the length of 12 weeks if done properly , had noting to do with it being bad.

12 weeks is standard beginners cycle and if done correctly it should be safe and with good recovery. Oh but then if you are of age like 25 after your body has a natural way to come back after completing puberty. This is NOT your case.....

I say if you want to get something out of your cycles go the Simple and common stretch of 12 weeks.

I cannot emphasis more what all synergistic activity that has to happen to use AAS in the building of LMM.

 

[Milton]

One of my past cycles was 12 weeks and it was a bad exp. for me I dont know maybe i made a mistake somewhere.

By the way i have one more quesition: do you have any review about LA Pharma? anyone try tren ace and test prop?

what complications did you experience in that cycle? did you recover properly? what was the cycle?

 

[oldmusclemike]

OK really OP , Cyber counter please get back with us.

What is going on and how are you faring ??? Please get back with us