Need advice from someone that really know what to do.

[gleroux]

I used steroid for 4 years non stop in the past. For it's been 2 years and a half since my last injection and i didn't do any PCT.

This is my last month blood test :

Total testosterone : 19,4 nmol/L (last years it was 20) range (5,8-32,1)
Teststerone bioavalaible : 8,2 nmol/L range(3,4-12,8)
Free testosterone : 401 pmol/L range(223,0-915,0 )
shbg : 39 nmol/L range(11-78)
Estradiol : 85 pmol/L range(40-161)

So as you see everything seem fine but i don't understand i still get no erection nor libido. (i Remember to have libido and erection at
250mg of testosterone enanthate per week in the past)

Im wondering if i should just start steroid again or let my body try to recover something that im not aware of for a little few years.

Does my problem could be related to another hormone ?

I'm 26 years old and before doing any steroid my total testosteorne level was 21 nmol/L so im nearly back to my pre cycle testosterone level.

 

[Argon Coagulator]

That's alarming bro. No pct but you've seemed to have recovered somewhat and I'm sure it's been a rough last couple years. What's alarming is the lack of libido and function that's usually a sign of being shutdown with very low test levels. Even when my levels "feel" low and I feel like crap I can still get horny and have sex, albeit less often but then again I'm a horny mofo and could probably get horny even if I were castrated.

If you're dead set on staying natural and don't want to give up hope, you should run some HCG for a few months and see if that will help your libido and ultimately help kickstart your balls to sustain a higher testosterone output even after HCG cessation. If your test levels tank after coming off HCG, you may have hypogonadism. Run HCG at 500-750iu EOD for at least two months and see where you're at. Keep AI on hand in case of estrogen spikes, but I personally do fine without AI on that dose of HCG.

 

[Mprtz]

Considering you probably beat the odds in your recovery otherwise, I would definitely investigate before jumping back on.
Don't know that much about it, but from what I understand prolactin among others can play a role in ED. Have you checked if Viagra (et al.) restore function?

 

[LateStart]

I agree with much of what was said above. I would try viagra and cialis to see if they restore function. Perhaps some increased function would help with libido and help you turn the corner? Short of trouble shooting your issues until you find a solution youd ha e to get a lot more bloodwork done. Much more to sex drive than just testosterone. When our testosterone levels dip down, our sex drive is the last thing to go. Men function with a very normal libido even when their numbers get pretty low.
So if ya arent gonna see a doc about it then I would try to nail down which problem your actually having.....libido or function. One can lead.to problems with the other.
So again.....try some viagra and cialis to restore function and see if that helps libido as well. That's the simplest fix. Otherwise you're talking a pct/restart and hoping that gets ya straight

Good luck bro. Let us know what works. I'm sure others will chime in

 

[gleroux]

Hi just and update on my situation. I finally decide to get back on steroid ((TRT) 100mg/week (i will probably in 3 week go to 140mg/week)). My last blood work show 575 ng/dl of total testosterone. Despite those normal level i don't have any libido nor erection. So for now i don't really care of my life i just gonna inject what ever i need to got that back.

The major problem that i have now and for the last 3 year despite those mentionned above, are the urination issue. I need to pee like 24h a day every day. I did a Cystoscopy, radio of the prostate and a urodynamic test. The doc say everything is normal but i don't believe him since my urine flow is so weak that if i don't strain hard, I pee on myself and not just a little bit.

If someone have any advice or if someone have the same problem as i have (and more specificaly the urination issue (because if i don't resolve that i really gonna kill my self)) please help me.

P.s : If you need some information ask me.

By the way just to note i have restart to train in the gym last week and i do between 140km and 200km of cardio every week since 1 year.

 

[nimrod69]

may consider add 25mg proviron daily

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

Hi just and update on my situation. I finally decide to get back on steroid ((TRT) 100mg/week (i will probably in 3 week go to 140mg/week)). My last blood work show 575 ng/dl of total testosterone. Despite those normal level i don't have any libido nor erection. So for now i don't really care of my life i just gonna inject what ever i need to got that back.

The major problem that i have now and for the last 3 year despite those mentionned above, are the urination issue. I need to pee like 24h a day every day. I did a Cystoscopy, radio of the prostate and a urodynamic test. The doc say everything is normal but i don't believe him since my urine flow is so weak that if i don't strain hard, I pee on myself and not just a little bit.

If someone have any advice or if someone have the same problem as i have (and more specificaly the urination issue (because if i don't resolve that i really gonna kill my self)) please help me.

P.s : If you need some information ask me.

By the way just to note i have restart to train in the gym last week and i do between 140km and 200km of cardio every week since 1 year.

What where your other numbers, free test, estrogen, thyroid?

 

[mikelaurey]

Hi just and update on my situation. I finally decide to get back on steroid ((TRT) 100mg/week (i will probably in 3 week go to 140mg/week)). My last blood work show 575 ng/dl of total testosterone. Despite those normal level i don't have any libido nor erection. So for now i don't really care of my life i just gonna inject what ever i need to got that back.

The major problem that i have now and for the last 3 year despite those mentionned above, are the urination issue. I need to pee like 24h a day every day. I did a Cystoscopy, radio of the prostate and a urodynamic test. The doc say everything is normal but i don't believe him since my urine flow is so weak that if i don't strain hard, I pee on myself and not just a little bit.

If someone have any advice or if someone have the same problem as i have (and more specificaly the urination issue (because if i don't resolve that i really gonna kill my self)) please help me.

P.s : If you need some information ask me.

By the way just to note i have restart to train in the gym last week and i do between 140km and 200km of cardio every week since 1 year.

The urination issue can be related to some past prostate inflammation which generated some scar tissue.
You can't solve it, you just need to put more efforts during urination.

To verify this, you could do an echography.

 

[gleroux]

What where your other numbers, free test, estrogen, thyroid?

Free test was 401 pmol/l and estrogen 123 pmol/l

 

[scorob777]

My advice is going to be a bit different from others above because I completely disagree with them.

First off your plan of 4 years on, then no PCT, was a bad idea. You appear to have gotten away with it in terms of testosterone levels as you are more or less normal now. All your levels of total, bioavailable, and free are just fine - and are not your libido/erection problem. Not at all.

Second, your plan of getting on 100 mg/wk testosterone now is a disaster. At your age of 26 this is just plain a terrible idea. Stop immediately

You can ignore the advice above about doing a run of HCG, because again your testosterone levels are normal. Not the problem, so don't need to fix.

Same thing with proviron, stay away. You don't need it. More hormones at this point will just fuck you up worse

Now estrogen levels. Why has nobody said anything about this yet??? Your level of 401 pmol/l works out to 109 pg/ml (the units we use over here). This is sky high, and is almost certainly your one and only issue.

You will be better off finding out why estrogen is so high when your testosterone levels are normal. Do you have excess body fat? Is your diet full of estrogen containing foods? Figure this out.

If you want to mess around with any more chemicals, then get some aromasin. Take it in very limited doses, since you don't have an excess of testosterone. Don't take body building on cycle type levels. You could try to take a typical 25mg tablet and cut it into 1/8 ths. You'll get some small chunks and a bunch of powder when you do that. Divide it up evenly and try taking that 1/8 every other day for a month or so then get new bloodwork.

When your estrogen falls into range you should see everything libido and performance wise normalize, at least for a short while until you undershoot.

Figure out the E2, and quit injecting testosterone.

 

[gleroux]

estrogen was 123 pmol/l not 401 thought.

 

[casanovaaa]

My advice is going to be a bit different from others above because I completely disagree with them.

First off your plan of 4 years on, then no PCT, was a bad idea. You appear to have gotten away with it in terms of testosterone levels as you are more or less normal now. All your levels of total, bioavailable, and free are just fine - and are not your libido/erection problem. Not at all.

Second, your plan of getting on 100 mg/wk testosterone now is a disaster. At your age of 26 this is just plain a terrible idea. Stop immediately

You can ignore the advice above about doing a run of HCG, because again your testosterone levels are normal. Not the problem, so don't need to fix.

Same thing with proviron, stay away. You don't need it. More hormones at this point will just fuck you up worse

Now estrogen levels. Why has nobody said anything about this yet??? Your level of 401 pmol/l works out to 109 pg/ml (the units we use over here). This is sky high, and is almost certainly your one and only issue.

You will be better off finding out why estrogen is so high when your testosterone levels are normal. Do you have excess body fat? Is your diet full of estrogen containing foods? Figure this out.

If you want to mess around with any more chemicals, then get some aromasin. Take it in very limited doses, since you don't have an excess of testosterone. Don't take body building on cycle type levels. You could try to take a typical 25mg tablet and cut it into 1/8 ths. You'll get some small chunks and a bunch of powder when you do that. Divide it up evenly and try taking that 1/8 every other day for a month or so then get new bloodwork.

When your estrogen falls into range you should see everything libido and performance wise normalize, at least for a short while until you undershoot.

Figure out the E2, and quit injecting testosterone.

sounds advice from a vet who knows whats hes talking about. hope op takes it to heart.

 

[gleroux]

Today i saw the best doc of my region for this kind of issue (he only treat bodybuilder). He told me to stop trt (that i was doing for the last month only) then after two week to start a regimen of 1500ui hcg per week divided in 3 dose. He also said that even if everything is normal on paper it doesn`t mean that the receptor in my brain and that im probably fucked up for life. He also told me that if i want to restore libido i will probably need way more than 140mg per week he said minimum 200mg.

What do you guys think ?

 

[appleton111]

Today i saw the best doc of my region for this kind of issue (he only treat bodybuilder). He told me to stop trt (that i was doing for the last month only) then after two week to start a regimen of 1500ui hcg per week divided in 3 dose. He also said that even if everything is normal on paper it doesn`t mean that the receptor in my brain and that im probably fucked up for life. He also told me that if i want to restore libido i will probably need way more than 140mg per week he said minimum 200mg.

What do you guys think ?

megatron will surely know how to advice you the best.

 

[scorob777]

Your TRT doc told you to stop injecting testosterone. You need to listen to this. Especially at at 26. If you only do one thing, do this.

The run of HCG seems a bit dodgy advice to me. From what I can see of your bloodwork your HPTA is working fine, and your balls are producing testosterone just fine. But, there's not really any harm in this. Go ahead if you want, and if you are going to continue seeing this doc then see where he goes with it.

Otherwise just give it time once you are off the injected testosterone. Your receptors will normalize with time and you'll likely be fine. If you don't give it time and keep jacking around injecting testosterone you will almost certainly not be fine

 

[gleroux]

Your TRT doc told you to stop injecting testosterone. You need to listen to this. Especially at at 26. If you only do one thing, do this.

The run of HCG seems a bit dodgy advice to me. From what I can see of your bloodwork your HPTA is working fine, and your balls are producing testosterone just fine. But, there's not really any harm in this. Go ahead if you want, and if you are going to continue seeing this doc then see where he goes with it.

Otherwise just give it time once you are off the injected testosterone. Your receptors will normalize with time and you'll likely be fine. If you don't give it time and keep jacking around injecting testosterone you will almost certainly not be fine

Ive been off for the last 4 years and even with normal level of everything i can`t feel any desire for sex i just don`t have any libido.

 

[gleroux]

So i saw my doc today and finally i'm gonna run hcg for 6 week 1500UI per week divided in 3 dose.

One question thought. I told my doc that if my problem doesnt resolve that i will go back on trt in the next 6 month at like 140mg per week. He told me that at this dose i will not live until 70 years old (im 28 right now). So what do you guy think is he right ? Does somebody have been on trt for like 50 years ?

 

[casanovaaa]

Your TRT doc told you to stop injecting testosterone. You need to listen to this. Especially at at 26. If you only do one thing, do this.

The run of HCG seems a bit dodgy advice to me. From what I can see of your bloodwork your HPTA is working fine, and your balls are producing testosterone just fine. But, there's not really any harm in this. Go ahead if you want, and if you are going to continue seeing this doc then see where he goes with it.

Otherwise just give it time once you are off the injected testosterone. Your receptors will normalize with time and you'll likely be fine. If you don't give it time and keep jacking around injecting testosterone you will almost certainly not be fine

This is the best advice that you need to listen to.