Need advice on finalising my first CYCLE

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SittingOnNeedles

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I have been training a for some time now and have made great gains without any gear. The guy that trains me has had a lot of experience with steroids and he used to compete and he won a few competetions when he was younger, although i have always valued his knowledge, when i told him that i wanted to start my first cycle (test e and dbol) which seems to be the most recommended first cycle on many forums he advised against the test and said that he would recommend an oral only cycle to get me started before i tried test as he said he has had bad experiences with it, i currently have dbol with nolvadex and liv52 for PCT ready to use and i know oral only is almost pointless as all gains are lost once the cycle is finished.

Hope this is posted in the correct section, looking for some advice for my first cycle, should i just go ahead and buy some test and for what reason would my training partner not want me to start on test?
 
First stats please...
Second Test only for first cycle...
Third never do dbol alone...
Fourth I have a hard time believing anyone who was a pro BB would recommend that, not calling you a liar, I'm saying he's either lying or has no clue what he's talking about...

Test should be the base fir all cycles bottom line. Please post stats for better advice.
 
This guy may be a great trainer but that doesn't make him a guru on AAS, you've come to the right place. Dbol only is asking to fuck up your body.
 
6ft 5"
192lbs
around 15% bodyfat
I think its more to do with the fact that he would be worried if anything went wrong while injecting as he would feel that my family would blame him or say that he influenced me although its my decision lol, im new to this hope i provided enough stats
 
Ask your trainer a very basic question, "Does his body function on dbol or test? Why does he want you to try and make your function on dbol alone?" You basically loose all natural power your body has to progress on its own without test and leave all of the work to the ass without adding a test base back into the equation. Why take away half of the potency? I agree with the above statement, run the test regardless of what the guy says. He can't be that skilled if he had a bad experience, he obviously doesn't know adequate info regarding cycling.
 
Thanks for the info, my only problem now is that i was relying on my trainer to inject me, i may just man up in do it myself, ive carefully read articles explaining how and where to inject but would much rather have someone irl to assist.
 
SittingOnNeedles said:
Thanks for the info, my only problem now is that i was relying on my trainer to inject me, i may just man up in do it myself, ive carefully read articles explaining how and where to inject but would much rather have someone irl to assist.
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If you're gonna play this game you have to be able to pin yourself. The first is the worst then once you realize flossing hurts worse you'll be fine. It's really not that hard. How old are you?
 
I was nervous at first. I can hold a convo and shoot at the same time now. After 5 or 6 times you're a pro. If you want the big boy results you've gotta learn to play my man. Experiment to see which muscles you like pinning the best, I rotate between glutes, quads, and traps. I've shot about a dozen more. It gets interesting after a while and you become a mad scientists.
 
bonexyster said:
I was nervous at first. I can hold a convo and shoot at the same time now. After 5 or 6 times you're a pro. If you want the big boy results you've gotta learn to play my man. Experiment to see which muscles you like pinning the best, I rotate between glutes, quads, and traps. I've shot about a dozen more. It gets interesting after a while and you become a mad scientists.
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Haha this is true. Some areas you'll realize why most avoid them lol. I like to pin quads cuz it's an easy straight shot on the front of my body but it freaking hurts me every damn time. Guess I just like taking it in the ass! Wait what!?
 
I know alot of guys with the same mentallity as your trainer. They are all old school competitors and they all would not run test but most of them have come around and love test now. When talking to one of them his prep was parabolan and masteron clen and a diuretic. Looking at pictures his skin was like glass and was in amazing shape but he also said that he would never not run test again as it was so hard on the body and limp dick was an absolute given...
 
SittingOnNeedles said:
was 170lbs when i started training, its hard adding size to my tall frame.... ectomorph problems..... lol
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I'll buy that excuse. Just genetically looking at tall lanky people. I think tall lanky people will take advantage if that excuse though, diet is #1, training #2, gear #73.... Get my point??? Eat, eat, eat. The number one problem encountered here with guys complaining they aren't growing can be accredited to poor diet that they think is in check.
 
Even at your height and being an ecto eating a 9oz chicken breasts, 9 oz fish, 9 oz of ground beef, 3 cups of rice , a 10 oz sweet potato, 3 cups veggies, 2-3 protein drinks, creatine , an apple, a banana, and a few things between meals every single day, will make you grow I guarantee it
 
Im 20, mabye too young to start using but when people say add size naturaly, its not that easy at my height in comparison to what a short person can achieve naturally.
 
Kazmir said:
Even at your height and being an ecto eating a 9oz chicken breasts, 9 oz fish, 9 oz of ground beef, 3 cups of rice , a 10 oz sweet potato, 3 cups veggies, 2-3 protein drinks, creatine , an apple, a banana, and a few things between meals every single day, will make you grow I guarantee it
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That would give me love handles the size of a volvo.
 
Kazmir said:
I know alot of guys with the same mentallity as your trainer. They are all old school competitors and they all would not run test but most of them have come around and love test now. When talking to one of them his prep was parabolan and masteron clen and a diuretic. Looking at pictures his skin was like glass and was in amazing shape but he also said that he would never not run test again as it was so hard on the body and limp dick was an absolute given...
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You seem to know his sort haha and yes he is old school hes 49 years old and thanks for advice on the diet, current diet is similar and ive kept it consistant for the last year, i can easily get myself cut and defined with my diet but increasing it and adding any size is the problem, i added a good bit of size in comparison to when i started and many people kept telling me eating more will help, ive tried this, my food bills crazy, this is why i think its time to start using.
 
Listen to Kazmir... Maybe too young? No! Definitely too young. Check out the diet forum man I promise you if you give it 6-12 months you'll be amazed. Then if you aren't tell me fuck off and do what you want. What do you have to loose by dedicating 6-12 months to a solid diet built by the worlds greatest 3J?! Nothing! You have nothing to loose, you'll still be early 20's with the best 10 years of your life ahead of you. Go on take the real challenge and try it.
 
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