Need critique on first test E cycle

[davido124]

I have done more research then i can even begin to tell you. Here are my Stats:
5'10
Lifting experience: 5 years
Weight 188
Body fat- just under 10 percent last checked
I can post some pics of myself if needed.

I have taken phs in the past but never have pinned or taken real gear. A couple of things i just want critiqued if you dont mind.

Here is the cycle i have planned:
Test E
Weeks 1-10 250 mg per week. I dont want to run it to high since this is my first experience with gear. Want to be on the safe side and see how my body reacts. Only looking to gain about 10-15 pounds in 10 weeks. Anything else is plus.

The additional supps i will have on hand will be:
Forma stanzol
Hcgenerate from need2
on cycle support
Fish oil

My post cycle therapy (pct) will be weeks 12-16
Clomid 50/50/25/25

I have read you are supposed to wait about two weeks after the last pin due to the half life to start the post cycle therapy (pct). Now my questions are when to take the forma and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Do i take them during cycle to keep test levels high and the forma to keep gyno under control just incase? do i bridge them in to post cycle therapy (pct)? or do i wait till post cycle therapy (pct) to take them?

As for my diet i take in about 3000-3500 cals a day clean. 250 carbs and about 300-350 grams of protein. Please any additional info or critque is much appreciated.

 

[Iron Giant]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/153723-300mg-vs-600mg-testosterone.html
If you have a close read at the above study then you'll notice less sides, such as acne occurred at the higher dose.

I would extend your cycle to 12 weeks and run 500-600mg/week. If your running a clomid only post cycle therapy (pct) I would go with 100/100/50/50. However, I highly recommend clomid @ 50/50/50/50 WITH nolva at 40/40/20/20, for optimal recovery. You also need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Adex or Aromasin for your cycle. You are correct post cycle therapy (pct) starts 2 weeks after last jab of test. I would add real Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in if you can.

Forma and Hcgenerate are "post cycle therapy (pct)" for PH correct? Over the counter stuff? I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly then I'm right. I can't advise you how to dose or run those because not many of us consider them a "post cycle therapy (pct)", sure forma with DAA + nolva & clomid is cool, but replacing nolva &/or clomid, for forma would be a poor choice. I'm pretty certain forma is usually added to the post cycle therapy (pct) protocol (you can't really "boost" test levels when your not producing your own test after all). Zero clue on Hcgenerate.

Here's a summary:
Wk 1-12: Test-e @ 500-600mg/wk (2 shots every 3.5 days)
Wk 1-12: Adex @ .25-.50mg EOD or Aromasin @ 6.25-12.5mg ED
HCG (the real stuff) blast @ 500iu/day for 10 days following last jab of test.
post cycle therapy (pct) 4 days following last jab of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (or 14-16 days after last jab of test if no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is used). post cycle therapy (pct) is clomid @ 50/50/50/50 & nolva @ 40/40/20/20.

Hopefully some members who have first hand experience with forma & Hcgenerate can chime in on protocol.

 

[O]

I would suggest upping the dose to 500mg/week, you are going to be shutting your natural test down regardless of whether you run 500 or 250 so you are just limiting your gains. It's not worth running such a low dose, you won't see the results you're looking for.

Also run the cycle for at least 12 weeks, test e takes 4-5 weeks to come into full effect so you will see better gains if you run it a bit longer
Drop the forma stanzol and get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), either Adex or Aromasin

Wait atleast 14 days to start PCT, seen some people recently suggest waiting 21 days even to start.

 

[Iron Giant]

Here's a useful read:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/638202-pct-visions.html

 

[davido124]

ok then i def will bump it up to 500 a week. Ive read that on almost every website. Ill be taking it sunday morning and wed night. Now you are correct the forma and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) are both over the counter products. I go to them because i have taken a super harsh ph in the past called Halo Test-25 and made amazing gains off of it but did dget completely shut down and those two sups were amazing on cycle and post. I bridged the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and it sped up my recovery with amazing recovery time. The forma i used not only suppresed any gyno from occuring but actually got rid of the little bit that i had. It is completely gone. I have a fear of pinning so id prefer to not have to pin the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well. I will look into adex if you guys say that is a better option.

As for the pinning itself do you guys have any suggestions on locations or any precautions which need to be taken? i have researched and watched plenty of videos on it already just asking for user experience. I am probably going to take the clomid alone as post cycle therapy (pct). I have taken it and can deal with the sides. Nolva on the other hand ive heard from friends that it is awful overall. So clomid at 100/100/50/50?

 

[davido124]

Here's a useful read:
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/638202-pct-visions.html

this is great btw thank you

 

[Iron Giant]

HCG is pinned sub-Q with insulin pins. It barely tickles.
Pinning is pretty basic: wash hands/wear gloves, heat up oil, swab top of vial, draw, change needle tips, swab location, allow alcohol to evaporate, jab, aspirate, slowly inject, leave syringe in for 30s, pull out, swab and apply pressure.
You can basically pin any muscle. I've tried glutes, ventro, quad, calf, bi, tri, lat, pec, and delt.
Yes, I would run clomid at 100/100/50/50. If your that against nolva look into the forma protocol with PCT.

 

[davido124]

HCG is pinned sub-Q with insulin pins. It barely tickles.
Pinning is pretty basic: wash hands/wear gloves, heat up oil, swab top of vial, draw, change needle tips, swab location, allow alcohol to evaporate, jab, aspirate, slowly inject, leave syringe in for 30s, pull out, swab and apply pressure.
You can basically pin any muscle. I've tried glutes, ventro, quad, calf, bi, tri, lat, pec, and delt.
Yes, I would run clomid at 100/100/50/50. If your that against nolva look into the forma protocol with PCT.

what do you mean forma protocol?

 

[Iron Giant]

what do you mean forma protocol?

I've seen a couple posts on various forums floating about with people running clomid with forma & DAA. I meant just dig around and see how they were dosing it along side the clomid, that's all. I would tell you, but I don't know as I've never payed much attention to the dosages for forma. Goog luck, have fun mate.

 

[lakers0812]

I would suggest upping the dose to 500mg/week, you are going to be shutting your natural test down regardless of whether you run 500 or 250 so you are just limiting your gains. It's not worth running such a low dose

I 100% agree with O up it to 500 mg/week. If you want to be as safe as possible listen to irongiant and use REAL Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 500iu/day for 10 days thenyou can start post cycle therapy (pct). For pct I personally prefer using nolva and clomid, but clomid should suffice as this is a light cycle. I would start your first week of clomid qith 100 mg instead of 50mg. Also I'd increase your calories slightly if you're looking to put on 15 lbs throughout cycle. Get an extra shake or two in.

 

[davido124]

ok everyone all this info is great. Ill be taking the injectable Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). When do i start taking the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? throughout the cycle or am i bridging it into pct?

 

[Iron Giant]

ok everyone all this info is great. Ill be taking the injectable Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). When do i start taking the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? throughout the cycle or am i bridging it into pct?

Option #1:
500iu/week for the entire cycle, stopping 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct). 4 weeks on, 1 week off.

Option #2:
500iu/week for the last 4-5 weeks, stopping 4 days before PCT.

Option #3:
500iu/day for 10 days, beginning after your last jab of test and stopping 4 days before PCT.

 

[davido124]

nice. thank you

 

[Darryl223]

This is pretty much exactly what I will be running,(the cycle Iron Giant posted) only with test cyp