need help with cycle. test e, var, winny

[Green man]

hi guys, i am somewhat new to steroids and needed some help with what/how much to stack. my stats are 25yo 6'2 180lbs probably 12-14% bf, lifting almost everyday and in great shape good with cardio and diet ( i am a health major). I am looking to get good strength gains with not to much weight gain, and stay cut up. from what i read it looked like stacking either Test e, and var w/ or w/o winny. what do you guys think i could use the help and appreciate the insight

 

[tbonexl]

Check out the "first cycle" threads. Pretty common.

 

[olddawg]

weight gain will be mostly diet related, you can take dbol on a cut if you want and your diet is tight. I'm curious to your plan, you say you want strength gains but no weight gain. is there a reason you want to be stronger and not bigger? So say you do the gear, and don't up your calories because you don't want to gain weight, come the end of your cycle your strength will go away and you'll be the same weight you are now. What am I missing? if it's just strength do some creatine hcl and save your money. or, if you want to gain muscle, you'll need to eat properly adding 500 or more cals a day while your prot intake is high enough. some fat will come from that but it is lost later.

 

[Green man]

I don't mind muscle gain or some weight gain, i just dont want a cycle that will make me blow up if you get what i mean.

 

[olddawg]

ok, well it really is diet decided. so I'd suggest increasing your calories by say 200 a day to start and see if you make gains there, if not up it another 200 cals a day to 400. I would do the test only, and save the var or whinny for a big cut later on. so say 10-12 weeks test e solo. watch your sodium in take, lots of water and an AI to fight bloat from estrogen. I still do test only cycles and they still work.

 

[Green man]

alright thank you, but what should i do for pct for a test e only cycle?

 

[justin h]

Stickys bro..read them
First cycle test e or c @500mg/wk @12wks
AI: adex/aromasin
Pct: nolva/clomid
HCG: optional
Do NOT fuck with winnie..its definitely not for you.
If your going to run an oral with your first cycle var is a good option.

 

[Green man]

I appreciate the advise guys, but what is so bad about winny? from what i read it gives good strength gains and is a good for cutting, i understand there are side effects to it but are they that bad?

 

[tbonexl]

That's why u gotta read up on stuff

 

[olddawg]

what is PCT? lmao winny fucks with your joints and you should use it when you are low bf, like very low, inj winny hurts like hell too, start a readin, there's lots and lots to learn

 

[Green man]

pct is a post cycle therapy, and they come in tabs you start reading

 

[tbonexl]

Your the one with the questions lol

 

[Green man]

yes because im asking for someone with experience with it to give me insight, i read up on it i want an opinion of someone who took it.

 

[tbonexl]

That's why u gotta read up on it for 5-10 minutes more..