So here's the story. This past summer I finished up an 18 month bid. Prior to my incarceration, I was into bodybuilding/MMA. I floated from 225-240 (surgeries/injuries suck!) I was on some pretty heavy stuff when I got locked up, and didn't get to do any post cycle therapy (pct). Therefore, I got some pretty bad Gyno. Also, I lost 20 lbs of muscle (they like to starve you in the county) Since my release, I also had my right shoulder scoped. Bone spurs and some polishing mostly, and trimmed off some frayed ligaments. Both the surgeon and PT told me I had to put the muscle back on to keep my shoulder from sagging and my scapula from winging laterally. I had lifted as much as possible for the few months I was out before surgery, but I've lost what I gained post-op. I was thinking a small Test E 250 2x a week for 10 weeks cycle would help to strengthen my shoulder joint and put on a base then move forward. I'm not looking to put on more than 20 lbs this go around. But I'd like to try and fix this Gyno first. I've got some Letro on the way, and some Adex for during my cycle. Any tips and advice on how to approach this? I've lifted and competed in wrestling my entire life. I've never looked in the mirror and felt this way about myself. I know I need to take it slow, but I'm convinced the faster I tighten this shoulder the less damage it will continue to endure. Not to mention this Gyno is driving me nuts. I've researched many Gyno reversal cycles, but I think mine is atypical. Could I hit the letro until the lump reduces then go right into the Test? Or will this take much longer than I am hoping for. I appreciate the help. God Bless.
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In regards to the gyno/letro, run the letro at .5mg eod until the lump is gone. HOWEVER, prepared for the time period to SUCK...extreme lethargy/fatigue. But at least the lump will be gone, and good that you already have adex on hand to control your estro in the future.
As far as a proposed cycle, runnging test e for 12 weeks would be your best bet. 10 weeks would be fine, but you would definitely see added benefit, and little to no harm, in the additional two weeks.
Proposed cycle:
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg a week(split into two pins)
Week 1-12 Adex .25mg eod(can bump to .25mg ed if gyno symptoms start popping up)
16-20 days after last pin start PCT
PCT:
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20
Good luck!
As far as a proposed cycle, runnging test e for 12 weeks would be your best bet. 10 weeks would be fine, but you would definitely see added benefit, and little to no harm, in the additional two weeks.
Proposed cycle:
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg a week(split into two pins)
Week 1-12 Adex .25mg eod(can bump to .25mg ed if gyno symptoms start popping up)
16-20 days after last pin start PCT
PCT:
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20
Good luck!
Serms
Aren't Nolva and Clo both SERMS? What is the need to take both? I've always wondered this. Why wouldnt you take Adex because its the lesser of the two popular AI's then take Col?
Thanks for the help with the Letro. I'm ready to get this sh!t gone. I'll let you know how everything works out. I'll look into getting more Test E to make it 12 weeks too.
Aren't Nolva and Clo both SERMS? What is the need to take both? I've always wondered this. Why wouldnt you take Adex because its the lesser of the two popular AI's then take Col?
Thanks for the help with the Letro. I'm ready to get this sh!t gone. I'll let you know how everything works out. I'll look into getting more Test E to make it 12 weeks too.
Youngblood43
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^^i think taking both is better because the do.have the same effect basically. But still work differently, so I personally think that taking both will give u a faster recovery.
Youngblood43
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Also testosterone in dosages over 200mg a week are going to have a negitive effect on collegen synthesis. With that being said def not the best for injuries and wat not. Read the sticky about collegen systhesis.
juced_porkchop
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yes they are both in that CLASS, but not the same compound/drug.
I would rec both for PCT if possible. better recovery it seems.
juced_porkchop
Moderator
also you may want to stay away from aas for a little while. tendons and other things may not be ready to life and most aas (liek test) at high levels may HURT tendon strength, not help.
run hgh or igf1 peptide cycles for now is what i rec.
IGF-1 Des 15-20mcg x2 a day wk1-8
simple and help full
also TB500 seems to be a big one being loved right now for repair.
Goo luck man!
run hgh or igf1 peptide cycles for now is what i rec.
IGF-1 Des 15-20mcg x2 a day wk1-8
simple and help full
also TB500 seems to be a big one being loved right now for repair.
Goo luck man!
Youngblood43
New member
Couldn't agree more. Peptides and hgh are the way to go for healing injuries.
Hey Porkchop,
You'd recommend igf-1 DES vs lr3? Just curious, been researching both quite a bit lately and have yet to come to any real conclusions about which one to go with for a scenario like the OP has.(injury)
You'd recommend igf-1 DES vs lr3? Just curious, been researching both quite a bit lately and have yet to come to any real conclusions about which one to go with for a scenario like the OP has.(injury)
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