Need to try Anastrazole again...help

[halfwit]

Yeah, you can probably back off completely or down to .25mg E5D even. I know my personal philosophy is that if I'm going to be injecting myself for the rest of my life, you can bet your ass I'm going to be sitting at levels that make 18 year olds feel girly. Sadly, many docs don't agree though.

 

[Megatron28]

I would keep you adex dose the same but increase your test dose.

Aren't you glad you listened to us and didn't take the even higher adex doses you were contemplating!

 

[willnorthwest]

thanks mega and halfwit for the advice...how about i ask my doc to reduce adex to .25 e5d? Also, what would be a good recommendation to my doc for a cyp increase? i was thinking 80mg e4d(140/week) or 90mg e4d (158/week). currently im at 70 e4d(123/week). this would either be an additional 20mg per week or an additional 35mg per week. suggestions? also, maybe i should talk to him about increasing hcG dosage as well. i typically do 300-320iu e4d, but i know alot of people who do at least 500iu every shot.

mega....reason i wouldnt want to keep the adex the same at .25mg e3d is because, at this point, i think we all can agree that im an adex over-responder. Ive tanked my e2 before, and this time, lowered it 50 points to below ideal numbers in less than 3 weeks!!!!!!!!

last thing....what about 60mg cyp e3d? that comes out to 140mg per week, which would be the same as 80mg e4d. This might be better for me as my shbg has been flagged low and a more frequent injection could work better from an aromitization standpoint and utilization(low shbg) standpoint as well. idk!

 

[Spunkey71]

Don't over think it, as they say KEEP IT SIMPLE! It was mentioned earlier, just do your injection every 3.5 days, that way you are injecting the same dose every time on the same days every week. If you feel a need to increase your dose increase it by 10MG and see how you respond. After a couple of months run bloods again and if needed make another adjustment. It will take time to get dialed in, just be patient and you will find your sweet spot!

 

[Megatron28]

Sounds like you need to go to 200mg per week of test cyp and .50mg of adex per week. Both split into half and taken every 3.5 days. Stop dicking around. You are at 530 for TT. If you are going to bother doing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) get yourself into the upper end of the TT range.

 

[willnorthwest]

Mega...im not gonna just jump from 120/week to 200/week..in fact I dont think most people would recommend that great of an increase overnight. My goal is to get my t and my e2 in a satisfactory range without overdoing it. Your reply is a little shocking actually. If I wanted to "dick around" I'd visit youporn. Im very serious about my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol.

 

[halfwit]

Actually, I agree with Megatron - but with one caveat: You need to consult your doctor first. I'm pretty sure you're just like most of us, and need that 200mg/wk (or more like my behemoth ass) as anything less is mediocre. You likely won't see any issues aside from a small spike in E2 if you jump up like that. It's when you go from say 120mg/wk to 750mg/wk that you potentially see some interesting issues potentially.

Then again, there is nothing with a conservative stance either.

Edit: Of course the most important thing is how you feel.

 

[willnorthwest]

I have a visit with my doc on wed. I will tell him I want a dosage increase. 800 peak and 530 trough just isnt cutting it. Thanks for the advice

 

[halfwit]

Best of luck man. I know how some docs look at you like you're a drug addict begging for a fix when all you want is justification for having to go through the process. Stupid how they can try to make you feel guilty for something that can only make you feel better.

 

[thefantom1]

Instead of just concentrating on numbers....how do you feel??? That is more important than worrying about specific doses and numbers....

 

[Megatron28]

Mega...im not gonna just jump from 120/week to 200/week..in fact I dont think most people would recommend that great of an increase overnight. My goal is to get my t and my e2 in a satisfactory range without overdoing it. Your reply is a little shocking actually. If I wanted to "dick around" I'd visit youporn. Im very serious about my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol.

Will, I didn't mean to offend you. By "dicking around" I was referring to making small incremental changes and taking forever to get dialed in. I went through this myself and wish I had just saw the end game a little sooner. Your current dose is putting you at 530 TT. I really think that if you are through all this trouble that you should at least to get higher TT than that. I can tell the 200/week is going to get you around the upper end of the normal range based on your current numbers.

I personally don't think it is crazy to jump from your current dose to 200/week. Did you feel like it was crazy to going from no injections to wherever your doc started you? Or did you have to ramp up to that with incremental increases each injection until you got to the target dose?

Here's my opinion on the two basic approaches to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). 1) Take the highest dose you can tolerate without needing an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). 2) Use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and take the highest dose that still keeps your TT within the normal range. All caveated with feeling good at the same time. And of course, with the acceptance of your doctor who is writing your prescription. Based on your decisions and communications you appear to have chosen to take the second path.

So again, I hope you can see that I you interpreted my use of the words "dicking around" differently than I intended. And I hope you can still see that I take testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as seriously as you do.

 

[willnorthwest]

Just got back from the doc. He is raising my dose to 90mg e4d. Also he told me to only take .25mg adex once a week. Im supposed to recheck peak t, trough t, and estradiol in one month. Basically I told him I still wasnt feeling great at the levels im at currently and would like to shoot for upper-end of normal. He agreed 100%. Keeping hcG the same at 300iu e4d....We'll see what happens

 

[willnorthwest]

hey guys...update on my new protocol and labs.

old protocol: 60-70mg cyp e4d, 300iu hcG e4d, no AI
old labs: Total T=830(peak level, 24 hours after inject)
Estradiol=70 (not e2 sensitive)

new protocol since 10/15/13: 90mg cyp e4d, 300iu hcG e4d, adex .25 e5d
new labs: TT=1250 (peak level, 24 hours after inject)
Estradiol= 45 (not e2 sensitive)

feeling pretty good so far with these t levels...keeping my fingers crossed that Ive finally found a dosage amount that keeps me feeling energetic. only question i have at this point is do y'all think i should do the adex at e4d instead of e5d? my thoughts are that estradiol is just slightly elevated and e4d would get my levels into the optimum 25-30 range.

 

[Megatron28]

I think your numbers look great -- including E2. How are you feeling at your trough? That would indicate if you need to move your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to every 4 days.

 

[Alpin]

Just got back from the doc. He is raising my dose to 90mg e4d. Also he told me to only take .25mg adex once a week. Im supposed to recheck peak t, trough t, and estradiol in one month. Basically I told him I still wasnt feeling great at the levels im at currently and would like to shoot for upper-end of normal. He agreed 100%. Keeping hcG the same at 300iu e4d....We'll see what happens

How's that anxiety working out for you with the HCG and TRT ?

 

[willnorthwest]

Hey guys, megatron.....yesterday was my trough day. I must say I felt pretty good! The only reason why I was considering moving to e4d is because if I do that, then my adex day would always be the day after my cyp inject day. Keeping it at e5d requires a bit more monitoring inmop because it would mean that my adex day isnt always the day after my cyp day. I would have to get a daily planner to make sure im taking the adex on the correct day. I know you said my levels look good, but do you think it would hurt to do e4d? That way I know on three consecutive days that I take my hcG on day 1, cyp on day2, adex on day 3 and then repeat in 2 more days. Just sounds easier.

Appolon....no anxiety so far. Im currently down to 4mg paxil daily, down from the 20mg's I was taking in January. Tapering very slowly for less withdrawal issues. Paxil is the worst ssri by far, wish I never took it

 

[Megatron28]

Hey guys, megatron.....yesterday was my trough day. I must say I felt pretty good! The only reason why I was considering moving to e4d is because if I do that, then my adex day would always be the day after my cyp inject day. Keeping it at e5d requires a bit more monitoring inmop because it would mean that my adex day isnt always the day after my cyp day. I would have to get a daily planner to make sure im taking the adex on the correct day. I know you said my levels look good, but do you think it would hurt to do e4d? That way I know on three consecutive days that I take my hcG on day 1, cyp on day2, adex on day 3 and then repeat in 2 more days. Just sounds easier.

Appolon....no anxiety so far. Im currently down to 4mg paxil daily, down from the 20mg's I was taking in January. Tapering very slowly for less withdrawal issues. Paxil is the worst ssri by far, wish I never took it

I try to make it easy to remember when to take my meds too. That's why I take my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at the same time as when I inject. So I think you can give e4d a try. I don't think it will crash your E.

 

[willnorthwest]

I try to make it easy to remember when to take my meds too. That's why I take my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at the same time as when I inject. So I think you can give e4d a try. I don't think it will crash your E.

Thanks bro...im gonna give it a try.

 

[Alpin]

what's an alternative to paxil ?
does that 5 HTP stuff work?
any other SSRI that is better to take?

 

[Spunkey71]

what's an alternative to paxil ?
does that 5 HTP stuff work?
any other SSRI that is better to take?

The alternative is no SSRI, I was on Zoloft 200mg a day for 15 years, since being on TRT I have dropped the Zoloft alltogether and feel better in terms of depression then I ever did when I was taking a SSRI.