newbie questions dbol and test

[pernyk]

Hi all,

I've been learning the know-how for a few months but I would like to ask you a few questions. I know that you have answered questions like this thousand times before but there's also a lot of shittalkers on forums so please be patient and help me so I don't get wrong info and fuck myself up with AAS.

I'm 25, 175-180lbs, martial arts for several years (karate, kickbox, muay thai, mma,...) and weights for about 3 years. I have 14% BF (bulking - normally 8-10%). Good diet, still improving. Never used gear.

1) I plan to try a cycle or two and decide if it's my cup of tea or not. But I am scared as hell of fucking up my hormones and that, after recovery (PCT), my test level will be lover than before cycle - testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and other shit. A guy on forum told me that that's the gamble and you can fuck yourself up just after one 12-week Test E 500 cycle. Is it possible considering my age and no previous gear experience?

2) I have no access to HCG, is it necessary in first or second cycle? Could shortening the cycle help in this problem (less suppression, lesser risk of testicular shrinkage)?

3) What do you think of shorter cycles? I mean not 12 weeks but 9 or 10 weeks. I know - less gains but are there other cons? I think the recovery should be better, right?

4) Will clomid and nolva be enough for PCT?

5) Guys on forums often get blasted for asking about "dbol only cycle". Especially that it shuts you down very hard and it takes months to return. I saw it mentioned many times. Isn't it bullshit? What's the difference between dboly only cycle (i know,stupid) and dbol+test cycle as for endogenous test production and recovery? I thought that adding exogenous test just shuts you harder down...

Thanks guys

 

[AndroSport]

Hi all,

I've been learning the know-how for a few months but I would like to ask you a few questions. I know that you have answered questions like this thousand times before but there's also a lot of shittalkers on forums so please be patient and help me so I don't get wrong info and fuck myself up with AAS.

I'm 25, 175-180lbs, martial arts for several years (karate, kickbox, muay thai, mma,...) and weights for about 3 years. I have 14% BF (bulking - normally 8-10%). Good diet, still improving. Never used gear.

1) I plan to try a cycle or two and decide if it's my cup of tea or not. But I am scared as hell of fucking up my hormones and that, after recovery (PCT), my test level will be lover than before cycle - testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and other shit. A guy on forum told me that that's the gamble and you can fuck yourself up just after one 12-week Test E 500 cycle. Is it possible considering my age and no previous gear experience?

2) I have no access to HCG, is it necessary in first or second cycle? Could shortening the cycle help in this problem (less suppression, lesser risk of testicular shrinkage)?

3) What do you think of shorter cycles? I mean not 12 weeks but 9 or 10 weeks. I know - less gains but are there other cons? I think the recovery should be better, right?

4) Will clomid and nolva be enough for PCT?

5) Guys on forums often get blasted for asking about "dbol only cycle". Especially that it shuts you down very hard and it takes months to return. I saw it mentioned many times. Isn't it bullshit? What's the difference between dboly only cycle (i know,stupid) and dbol+test cycle as for endogenous test production and recovery? I thought that adding exogenous test just shuts you harder down...

Thanks guys

Lots of questions there bro... I would just go tot he cycles section or search on beginner cycles to take a page out of the vets books. Most of us have been doing this a long time.

Test shouldn't be run that short man... its a long ester so depending on the person it could take up to 4-6 weeks to kick in. Therefore running it like 8 weeks instead of 12 is a waste of gear, time, money and strain on the body. If you want to run both then run the dbol up till you see results from the test.

There are plenty of places you should be able to buy HCG bro... unless its a shipping issue? Where are you located?

 

[WellBeyondRage]

I ran dbol and test my veryy first cycle. Wasn't trying to go crazy, but andro is right i didn't start seeing gains until week 6, and the test was the only thing that kept my bone cone from being useless. Run it for at least 12 weeks otherwise you'd be better off shoving it up your bunghole bro. Be weary though even with good pct dbol effects everyone different. It took a good 3 months before I started to feel 100% again. Meaning I wasnt walking around with floppy donkey dick...

 

[palmers]

My first cycle was dbol and test it was great I did it for 11 weeks... Was gunna go the full 12 but my girl said I wzs getting too big! I went up 32 pounds kept 24... The reason I lost was from drinkin tho. Bit yea as everyone else says do some research there is alot of info u can absorb here. Dont start till u know everything too... Not just good mgs to for a first cyc

 

[palmers]

Btw, watch your sodium and suger especially on dbol, dbol is bad for raising bp

 

[pernyk]

OK, thanks guys.

Soidum & sugar - do you mean intake from food? I can reduce sodium intake from food but I'm an ectomorph from let's say 50 or 60% so my sacharid intake in bulking phase is pretty high. I usually never go below 5g/kg of bodyweight so when I'm bulking I basically never go below 350g - 400g of scharids per day. Is that problem? Or what did you mean...


Btw what do you think of dbol toxicity? I heard that it's faaar overrated. I personally know guys who run it easily for 10 weeks with no problems (feeling fine,blood test OK).

 

[pernyk]

low test

Yep and one more thing. What do you think of the problem of low testosterone after steroid use? I mean... I thought it's problem of BBs abusing it for years but I was told that everyone's HPTA reacts differently and I could suppress my endogenous test production just after one or two cycles. I mean permanently. Is that right? I'm really scared of is this.

 

[UNTAMEDGORILLA]

Just use the test, so you'll know whats fucking u up if it does, next time add something so you'll know what's doing it