Not my first cycle but looking for advice

[Twitch72186]

Stats
6'4
235
Bf unsure
Lifting since high school serious lifting the last 3 years

I am still in a natural cutting phase for the next 2 months my goal is to get to 220 before I start my cycle in February I don't know if I should use tren with test e and deca or if I should do dbol I'm planning on running 16 weeks first 8 to bulk second 8 to lean out

Week 1-16 500mg test e
Week 1-14 400mg deca
And either dbol weeks 1-6 starting at 10mg and going up 10mg every 2 weeks
Or tren starting at 75mg and jumping to 150 weeks 3-6

For the cutting
Masteron weeks 9-16 400mg
And if I don't do dbol I am going to add winstrol tabs

Pct I have clomid and nolvadex and am going to pick up aromidex

I have been reading forums on this site for years but first time posting
Any help is greatly appreciated

 

[powerball]

You say it's not your first cycle, so what did you use before and at what dosages? The reason I'm asking is this should give you an idea how you'll react to the new cycle and what to expect. Apart from that, everything looks fine. Personally, I would probably choose dbol over tren, as it might be a little too much. But again, I don't know what you used before and how you reacted to it. It might work out for you as you're a big guy. I'm smaller, so I know that adding tren would be too hard on me. Also, no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? After 16 weeks it wouldn't hurt. I would substitute nolva with it.

 

[codymx29]

I agree with powerball, we need your first cycle info. You dont seem too small so i dont think this is too much gear but a bit complicated. My friend just started a very similar cycle (i sold him the tren haha) his username is dmass20 i think. Ill tell him to post on here. He is loving the tren kickstart. But it is two 19 nors so its not recommended. Mast and deca is gonna be a water battle. Im not sure which will win. I dont think its the best idea. Here is my suggestion. Run npp instead of deca. It wont bloat you. and run dbol instead of tren soooo....

1-16 test 500mg
1-14 npp 400mg ( can be shot e3d)
1-4 dbol 25-40 mg
8-16 mast e 400 mg

If you are not lean, like < 10% ....mast wont do a whole lot. If you are lean go for it. If not i would do var instead at 70mg ed. I would only do it the last 6 weeks since you are doing dbol. And i would run liv 52/milk thistle. Just my suggestion good luck. This is a pretty big cycle to be your second tho!

 

[Twitch72186]

This is my third cycle
1st cycle was sustanon 250 500mg/wk for 8 weeks
2nd cycle was sustanon 250 500mg/wk with deca 400mg/wk and winstrol forgot what dose I was taking
I am a big dude not very lean

 

[codymx29]

Seems like a good amount of gear then. If you aren't close to 10% bf i wouldnt do mast bro. Try finishing with prop/var.

 

[Twitch72186]

Thanks bro and I'm looking into npp and gonna drop the tren and mast

For pct hcg can u do Im shots or do they have to be subcutaneous

 

[codymx29]

Np man im running npp soon too.
Hmmm im sure you could do either way but dont quote me since i have no experience with it.

 

[codymx29]

His goals ? WTF he said he is bulking 8 weeks and then cutting the last 8. Fast acting deca? it CAN be shot e3d so its fine with ANY test. You think running deca and mast the whole time is gonna work? Thats stupid. Telling ppl to run orals for a long time is horrible advice. Regardless of some ppl can do it....why risk it? Lets see your "master" advice here mister 26 posts. Read the entire thread before flaming anyone. All you had to do was give your imput, jackass.

 

[powerball]

Yeah, I laughed at "fast acting deca" pretty hard. And this person calls us brainwashed. Oh, the irony!

@Twitch - hcg is done subcutaneously with a slin pin.

 

[Millertime]

If your already lean why do you wanna diet to 220lbs?

 

[Twitch72186]

Lets not get hostile here just looking for advice I'm still up in the air I want to add winstrol tabs but then I have to cut out the dbol is there another good agent I could use to bulk
I will use dbol I I can't find another bulk agent and will run 6-8 weeks
And I'm not very lean

 

[codymx29]

No drama here, just didn't like being attacked. IMHO Winstrol (winny) is a pure pre contest drug....i wouldn't touch it unless you are a few weeks out of a show. Not saying you can't take it tho. Anavar (var) or tbol is a better option. When you say another "bulk agent" do you mean another oral? or any type gear?

 

[Twitch72186]

It doesn't have to be an oral I'm still researching other gear to put together my cycle it's still up in the air I have till February before I start
I was looking into clen and t3 for the last 6 weeks

I don't know I'm going to look research some more and when I figure what I'm gonna do ill post it any more advice is appreciated

 

[codymx29]

Im glad you're taking a lot of time to plan this, props to that. Most AAS can be used to bulk or cut, it's mainly diet dependant. Its basically a water retention difference. Tren is the KING but be careful with it. Im on clen now , have you done it before? Be careful its rough haha. Yeah but let us know what you figure out bro.

 

[Dmass20]

If you are planning on cutting the second 8 weeks, I personally would not go with dbol. Even in your first 8 weeks of trying to bulk I would try to keep everything as lean as possible. I would look into some turinabol if you can afford it. The last 8 weeks I would try out some clen.