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hiram1st
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1mg adex 2 x a week I would say your e2 is crashed. That's way to high on your protocol IMO. Getting blood work soon?
Haven't done a blood test yet at these doses. I'm on the higher HCG simply because that is what the Doc prescribed. One plus is that my balls no longer ache and the Hcg has definitely improved my libido and quality of orgasm
halfape211
Not Novice, But Not Pro
Glad to see the HCG is working for you. I know I love my HCG. This is the way life is supposed to be for a man.
Should I even bother getting a blood test at this point to check the estradiol? I mean given my symptoms and the fact that I've been taking 1 mg anastrozole 2x a week, it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that my e2 is crashed.
BTW today is day 3-4 of me feeling lousy, and I'm pissed. I was afraid this was going to happen to me when my Doc insisted that I follow his instructions and not deviate- honestly there was no good reason for him to put me on the anastrozole to begin with because my e2 levels were low normal even after being on TRT for several months.
Now my wife is rolling her eyes because she's having to deal with me being tired and moody- worse than when I started. and now she's thinking this TRT is a waste of time and money.
hiram1st
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I don't think it would ba a waste. It would give you a reference number of e2 on that protocol. I would say it's crashed though.
Its not a waste once your dialed in things will be better and she will be reaping the benefits of it
.I'm in the process of stI'll getting dialed in. I've has a issue with high e2 symptoms. Water retention , nipple sensitive and hard tender lumps. I am on 100mg e7d and no AI.
Had blood work and sensitive E2 was 9 and regular was 34. She did tge ratio between my tt and e2 and thought it was high and wanted me to start armidex at 1mg every 2 weeks well I got the script and have been taking .125 (as close as I can get with the pill cutter) 48 hours after injection been doing this for 3 weeks and no more water and lumps are almost non existent.
It seems to be working for me but havn't had blood work yet. I see her next week she wants to up my dosage she wants my tt trough closer to the 700 800 range I'm at 550 trough
So what should the ratio of tt to e2 be ideally ?
It has been a while and I wanted to update my thread.
Just to recap my main reason for seeking out TRT was due to fatigue issues/ brain fog/ always being tired and not so much low libido ED issues. I'm happy to report that I think I've found the secret sauce, and it is a combo of several things.
1- Diet, exercise, and SLEEP. I've been fairly consistent with diet and exercise part, but I've really honed in on my sleep and have tried to improve the quality and quantity. I bought a jawbone to monitor my sleep, I've experimented with some different things and have found some things that really have helped. I now use an eye mask. I also make it a point to sleep with separation between me and the wife so she doesn't disturb me when she tosses and turns. I watch my fluid intake in the evening so I don't have to get up and pee as much. I also try to go to bed at the same time every night. On occasion I will use melatonin to help me out. But I have found that a good night's rest makes a HUGE difference.
2- Watching the caffeine. I have figured out that my body just doesn't handle caffeine all that well. If I try to caffeinated myself it will pick me up in the morning but I will crash in the late afternoon.
3- No masturbating and stay away from porn as much as possible. This is perhaps the least talked about, but really the elephant in the room when it comes to men and ED, libido issues, brain fog, low energy, and fatigue. I have found that if I can control myself in regards to the porn and masturbation, my overall well being increases. I am also trying to regulate my frequency of orgasm with the wife. So I try not to cum several times a week- instead we will have sex but I will make it a point not to finish, as frequent orgasm will cause fatigue issues.
4- I am supplementing with 300 to 600 mg Sulbutiamine and 500 mg Choline CDP daily. These are supplements that will ultimately increase the density of dopamine receptors and it has made a big difference for me.
5- I am on 500 IU HCG and 100 mg test cyp pinned 2x a week with Anastrozole to control the E2 levels. This is the cornerstone and foundation from which I've seen the biggest benefits. When I crashed my E2 from too much AI I really felt it.
So that is what I have found works. My energy is great, my libido is great, and my performance in bed is great!! Later I might post some links to some of the forums/threads that showed the science to back up why these individual pieces help
Just to recap my main reason for seeking out TRT was due to fatigue issues/ brain fog/ always being tired and not so much low libido ED issues. I'm happy to report that I think I've found the secret sauce, and it is a combo of several things.
1- Diet, exercise, and SLEEP. I've been fairly consistent with diet and exercise part, but I've really honed in on my sleep and have tried to improve the quality and quantity. I bought a jawbone to monitor my sleep, I've experimented with some different things and have found some things that really have helped. I now use an eye mask. I also make it a point to sleep with separation between me and the wife so she doesn't disturb me when she tosses and turns. I watch my fluid intake in the evening so I don't have to get up and pee as much. I also try to go to bed at the same time every night. On occasion I will use melatonin to help me out. But I have found that a good night's rest makes a HUGE difference.
2- Watching the caffeine. I have figured out that my body just doesn't handle caffeine all that well. If I try to caffeinated myself it will pick me up in the morning but I will crash in the late afternoon.
3- No masturbating and stay away from porn as much as possible. This is perhaps the least talked about, but really the elephant in the room when it comes to men and ED, libido issues, brain fog, low energy, and fatigue. I have found that if I can control myself in regards to the porn and masturbation, my overall well being increases. I am also trying to regulate my frequency of orgasm with the wife. So I try not to cum several times a week- instead we will have sex but I will make it a point not to finish, as frequent orgasm will cause fatigue issues.
4- I am supplementing with 300 to 600 mg Sulbutiamine and 500 mg Choline CDP daily. These are supplements that will ultimately increase the density of dopamine receptors and it has made a big difference for me.
5- I am on 500 IU HCG and 100 mg test cyp pinned 2x a week with Anastrozole to control the E2 levels. This is the cornerstone and foundation from which I've seen the biggest benefits. When I crashed my E2 from too much AI I really felt it.
So that is what I have found works. My energy is great, my libido is great, and my performance in bed is great!! Later I might post some links to some of the forums/threads that showed the science to back up why these individual pieces help
SweepTheLegJohnny
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I don't worry about the ratio: you just want your E2 at between 20-30 units. That's optimal for most guys. The ratio will vary from guy to guy and protocol to protoco.
You want to have you estradiol levels checked and dialed in because crashed or elevated levels have nasty consequences internally: prostate issues, bone density, blood sugar, fluid retention etc, etc... Basically, by the time you're feeling the effects of screwy estrogen levels, some damage may have already been done. Your doctor should know these things.
2mgs of arimidex a week is ridiculous and again, any doc knowledgeable with respect to TRT should know this.
This is on a sensitive test right- add around 15 points to a nonsensitive?
- yeah I knew the 2 mg anastrozole was way too much, but I was new to the program and rather than argue with the doc (which I actually started to do) I decided to just follow what he says, let it crash and prove to him to was too much, then let him make adjustments
SweepTheLegJohnny
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I honestly don't know what the conversion is. I always ask for an E2 sensitive test because E2 is what causes the problems.It took me awhile to find a doctor that knows their stuff and would still listen.
However, I do go off of the reservation with my docs orders consistently. They want one 200mg injection done once a week, IM. I do a 100mg injection, subq, every four days. They tried to put me on .5mgs of adex a week, I do.125mgs the day of my injection. I never take more than prescribed but I'm the one that has to deal with the effects of the treatment and I know from my own experience what works for me.
I might jump over to 65mgs, EOD with the .125mgs, of adex taken the days between shots.
Yes, that's 20-30 on the sensitive assay.
I wouldn't say that it's safe to assume that there will be a 15 point difference between the two tests though. It's really all over the place.
SweepTheLegJohnny
New member
Personally, I ditched two doctors because they wouldn't do e2 sensitive tests. I quit TRT fo quite awhile because I refuse to do it with an incompetent physician. This stuff isn't rocket science and I have nothing but disdain for docs that screw it up.
I go through low testosterone.com now and am much happier.
I go through low testosterone.com now and am much happier.
Need some advice guys which is why I'm checking back in.....
I've been on 100 mg test cyp every 3.5 days and HCG 500 IU every 3.5 days. I stopped taking Anastrozole because my E2 crashed all the way to a 6 on the nonsensitive scale (ref 7.6-42.6 pg/mL). My doc wanted me to go to 1 mg Anastrozole a week but I didn't listen. I just went and got my own blood test at 24 hours after injecting, and here are some pertinent numbers.
Testosterone, serum 1450 ref 348-1197 ng/dL
Estradiol 66.7 ref 7.6-42.6 pg/mL nonsensitive
Hematocrit 49.3 ref 37.5-51.0 %
The good news- I feel great. Good energy, good libido.
But I'm concerned because my testosterone level came in at the highest I've ever seen it. All the other tests taken at either 24 or 72 hours after injection came in at around 1000. The only thing I can think of is that I am supplementing with 300 to 600 mg Sulbutiamine and 500 mg Choline CDP daily, and was taking Zinc.
Should I be concerned?
I've been on 100 mg test cyp every 3.5 days and HCG 500 IU every 3.5 days. I stopped taking Anastrozole because my E2 crashed all the way to a 6 on the nonsensitive scale (ref 7.6-42.6 pg/mL). My doc wanted me to go to 1 mg Anastrozole a week but I didn't listen. I just went and got my own blood test at 24 hours after injecting, and here are some pertinent numbers.
Testosterone, serum 1450 ref 348-1197 ng/dL
Estradiol 66.7 ref 7.6-42.6 pg/mL nonsensitive
Hematocrit 49.3 ref 37.5-51.0 %
The good news- I feel great. Good energy, good libido.
But I'm concerned because my testosterone level came in at the highest I've ever seen it. All the other tests taken at either 24 or 72 hours after injection came in at around 1000. The only thing I can think of is that I am supplementing with 300 to 600 mg Sulbutiamine and 500 mg Choline CDP daily, and was taking Zinc.
Should I be concerned?
johnfromeurope
Member
Thats where 200mg of test a week puts you...maybe reduce to 160 a week if you want to, but more important thing is to adjust your ai dose so your e2 is around 30-35.
do not completely stop the anastrozole, try 0.25 a week, or 0.5 a week, or whatever works for you
do not completely stop the anastrozole, try 0.25 a week, or 0.5 a week, or whatever works for you
