NPP and Stanozolol - Shorties

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mountainbear

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Hi everybody.

I am planing on doing 2 short cycles of 3 weeks each, with 6 weeks off between them given all goes well with the first shorty. Hoping to gain some size and strength and reduce a bit of bodyfat.

Current stats are = 28 years, 5'10", 185 lbs, 12-14% . Been training for 5 years now and have gained a lot of size and strength from the time when I got into the iron game. Started 2009 at 145 lbs with same body fat levels as now i.e 12-14%. Now I think its time to take it to a new level.


DOSAGES:
Day 1 to Day 21 = NPP = 400 mgs/week - EOD injections - Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.
Day 1 to Day 21 = Winstrol = 30-50 mgs/day - Oral tablets
Day 1 to Day 25 = Cabergoline 0.5mg EOD

PCT:
Day 25 = Clomid 300 mg
Days 26-35 = Clomd 100 mg
Days 36-42 = Clomid 50 mg


Comments and suggestions please.
Has anyone done a similar cycle?
Do you think given the short duration I should use HCG?

Cheers.
 
Okay I'm on test and npp now and it's just hitting me hard and I'm in my 4th week.
My joint pain went away with in the first 10days.

I can't imagine your going to see much if any gains from the npp in that short of a cycle.
Not to mention the lack of even a low low dose of test base.

May I ask why this short cycle?
 
Cycles shorter than 12 weeks make me scratch my head in wonder . Even short esters take a couple weeks till you begin to see muscle building benefits
 
Teutonic said:
No disrespect but that is a horrible idea that only lead to shut down....I see a no gain limp dick situation brewing...
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Hmm... So what are the flaws in this programming? that the cycle duration is too short to see any results? I would not mind including a low dose of test prop like 150mgs per week.

But my reasons for not including test was two fold.
1. Because in 2003 I did a cycle with Sustanon 500mgs/week for 8 weeks, results were good but got some serious hair growth on my back and neck. Which I couldnt handle. Believe that was from supraphysiological doses of test because its very androgenic.

Planning to stick to NPP because heard so much good about it. and that its not very androgenic but highly anabolic. Although all AAS are androgenic to some extent, but ill take my chances with NPP.

2. I did read materials out there. There was one I kind of remember by Bill Roberts saying NPP and Winstrol is a good combo for a cycle.


Im open to suggestions and comments so I can do this right. Have not started yet, but am seriously contemplating..
 
Inhuman2012 said:
Cycles shorter than 12 weeks make me scratch my head in wonder . Even short esters take a couple weeks till you begin to see muscle building benefits
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i wouldn't do anything else than 8 weeks with short esters myself

a nice tren/test p cutter should yield some solid results :)
 
As indicated...3 weeks is useless; the shutdown guaranteed; the times off pointless; another useless 3 weeks of suppression...
I d rather some hair growth than a skewed lipid profile, dried out joints and a pecker that will not point.....

Again I am not flaming on you just pointing out what would happen to me.

WIINNY IS USELESS unless your 5 10 245 trying to pull out those last striations that only a diuretic or a drying compound will assist you in you doing....

I hear in my gym quite often that "winny will cut you'' b f k n shit. Diet and aerobics are the keyand genetics a blessing.
 
Yes it will shut you down just as fast. You need test as a base ALWAYS and winny isa terrible idea. Get some var for the oral or tbol. Run it all for at least 8 weeks, with 12 being the better option and run your test at 200-250 that way it's above your natural levels, but not to high. don't be stupid
 
Norsegod said:
Yes it will shut you down just as fast. You need test as a base ALWAYS and winny isa terrible idea. Get some var for the oral or tbol. Run it all for at least 8 weeks, with 12 being the better option and run your test at 200-250 that way it's above your natural levels, but not to high. don't be stupid
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so adding 150-200mgs of test a week make this better?
test enanthate is easier as it does come in a 100 and 200mg/ml amps.
test propionate would need more injects per week cause its coming in 25-50mg/ml amps.

But is either of them better, when considering to run it with NPP in reference to the half lives of test e and / or test p?
 
Read a post in a thread somewhere, seemed alright.. here an extract from it

" Testosterone is vital for proper libido function, it is a regulator of cognitive and physical energy, it regulates the population of thromboxane A2 receptors on megakaryocytes and platelets and hence platelet aggregation in humans, it is essential for proper mental and psychological function, and MANY MANY more functions and I cannot list all of them here, a whole book could be written on it. If you want to know more, you can delve into the 23,000 word Testosterone article that I wrote on the main site. Just because Trenbolone is 'better than' Testosterone in one or two areas (anabolic tissue increases), does not mean that it is better than it in every single aspect and function. Trenbolone does diddly squat in many of those physiological functions that Testosterone governs.

This is why you require at least a normal physological level of Testosterone in your body during ANY cycle of ANYTHING. "
 
I prefer test prop myself. Yes, there are more frequent pins, but I don't get bloated at all on it until I hit a gram a week while any long ester test I blew up like a balloon on 600. Plus, there is more actual test in prop cuz the ester is lighter. Although, most opt for long ester the few few runs because of the less pinning.

Another benefit to prop is you can bail on a cycle very quickly if you ever need to and longer esters would cause you to have to wait weeks to clear allowing side effects to remain or even worsen.
 
Norsegod said:
Yes it will shut you down just as fast. You need test as a base ALWAYS and winny isa terrible idea. Get some var for the oral or tbol. Run it all for at least 8 weeks, with 12 being the better option and run your test at 200-250 that way it's above your natural levels, but not to high. don't be stupid
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Norsegod said:
oh and get some nolvadex also. You need to do some reading
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This x2
 
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