Please review my cycle, down to the last detail!

Toothpickarms

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Age: 27, Weight: 190 lbs

I have access to the following materials: 8750mg Test-E, 25mg Arimidex, 1000mg Nolvadex, 7,500 iu hCG

Based on that, here is the first time cycle I was planning on:

Weeks 1-16: 500mg Test-E per week (250mg every Tues and Fri)
Weeks 2-15.5: 500iu hCG per week (250iu every Tues and Fri)
Weeks 17 and 18: Nothing
Weeks 19-20: 40mg Nolva daily
Weeks 21-22: 20mg Nolva daily

I feel like a couple things in that need to be tweaked though. Most people are telling me that 16 weeks isn't necessary for a Test-E cycle and that I probably want to stop around 14 weeks. The two extra weeks aren't worth it? If so, should I save the extra Test or try to taper off it at the end or...?

Second of all, notice that I have 25mg Arimidex but no concrete plans for it. The idea was just to have it on hand in case I needed it, but now I'm leaning towards taking .25mg every 3 or 4 days. I would want to start this on week 2 or 3, correct?

Most glaringly, I screwed up big time on the amount of hCG I ordered. I realize now that I should be running it almost up to the start of week 19 when Nolva begins, but I don't have enough. How should I better make use of my 7500 iu? Still use 500 hCG a week, just start it on week 4 or 5 instead so I run out closer to post cycle therapy (pct)? Or, maybe do 250iu every 4 days? That would still have me running a bit short of ending the hCG before post cycle therapy (pct). Is it ok if I end hCG usage at the same time as ending Test injections? If I drop the Test-E to 14 weeks instead of 16, my hCG shortage becomes a bit more manageable.

***Diet*** - I'm aiming for a minimum of 4500 calories a day with at least 300g protein. My normal post workout shake is ~900 calories with 70g protein. Instead of only using this post workout, I will be drinking it three times a day (first thing in the morning, post workout, and final meal before sleep). That gives me 2700 calories and 210g protein. The other ~1800 calories/90g protein will come from my usual diet, which is just the basic stuff like beef, chicken, tuna, nuts, veggies, etc.

***Training*** - I normally do a three day split on MWF with HIIT/accessory lifts on Tu/Th with some general cardio on Sat. I'm going to cut the cardio completely, but I think I may still keep some HIIT. My split needs to change completely, because I want to hit everything at least twice a week while on cycle. I am also considering just doing on/off/on/off (repeat infinitely) for the entirety of the cycle, switching each workout with either push/pull or upper/lower.

**Details***

Test-E injection process: Alcohol swab the rubber, invert bottle, pull 1ml from syringe, insert and draw 1ml using 18 gauge needle, remove 18g needle and attach 25g needle, alcohol swab injection site, pull skin flat and inject perpendicular, remove and bandage, dispose of needle in sharps container. Currently unsure of injection sites, would strongly prefer to do ventrogluteal but I'm having trouble locating it. Considering rotation between deltoid/quads.

hCG injection process: Identical to test E, but using a 29g needle for the entire process. Injection site rotated between left and right of the navel, about 1 inch. My hCG will be mixed with bacteriostatic water so that 250 iu comes out to about .15ml, does this sound right? Will be stored in the fridge.

My arimidex tabs are 1mg each, if I end up taking .25mg I will use a pill splitter on them. My Nolva pills are 20mg each, so that's easy (just 2 a day for the first two weeks of PCT, 1 a day after that).

Thanks for answering my questions, I felt pretty prepared but now that all the gear is in my hands I'm having lots of anxiousness about starting. I am confident I can handle the injections, I'm hopeful my hair will be fine, I'm pretty sure I won't cause any permanent damage with that low of a hCG dose (still want kids), and in general I think I can gain around 20 lbs and maintain a good chunk of it.
 
Sup Toothpickarms lol @ name.

Yeah looks good! There are only a couple of things but you did a good job researching.


I would add clomid to post cycle therapy (pct) @ 50mg per day for 4 weeks. Some people use 100mg the 1st 2 weeks and come down to 50mg the next two, similar to how nolva is used.

3 shakes a day is a lot. Everyone here is working on their diets though and I'm sure your gonna continue to do so like the rest of us. Try to get your nutrition out of food, but if you need some shakes make sure you get some casein too for bedtime.

This is a pretty light cycle, any Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you use is better than none at all. You asked how to better utilize what you have, so I would suggest one of two things. Either move the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) back to weeks 4-17, or use Dr. Scally's blast method ( best off looking this one up imo).

As far as 14 weeks vs 16 weeks of test e, I would chose 16 as well. Let it be known that I am a fan of longer cycles but not everyone is. Short cycles are for prop though, so if you using test e I would go for it @ 16.

Lastly, you are wise not to have "concrete plans" for your Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Your gonna have to adjust it here and there, but if you use .25mg I would eat it EoD, not E3 or E4. Most people use .5mg EoD, but you should not overmedicate of course. You'll know as you go if it needs adjustment.

Is this your 1st cycle???? If so great job on research.
 
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90 grams of protein is 90 grams of protein, whether it comes from casein orwhey it doeant matter. Can't believe that info hasn't reached this board yet. Strong broscience here.
 
Sup Toothpickarms lol @ name.

Yeah looks good! There are only a couple of things but you did a good job researching.


I would add clomid to post cycle therapy (pct) @ 50mg per day for 4 weeks. Some people use 100mg the 1st 2 weeks and come down to 50mg the next two, similar to how nolva is used.

3 shakes a day is a lot. Everyone here is working on their diets though and I'm sure your gonna continue to do so like the rest of us. Try to get your nutrition out of food, but if you need some shakes make sure you get some casein too for bedtime.

This is a pretty light cycle, any Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you use is better than none at all. You asked how to better utilize what you have, so I would suggest one of two things. Either move the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) back to weeks 4-17, or use Dr. Scally's blast method ( best off looking this one up imo).

As far as 14 weeks vs 16 weeks of test e, I would chose 16 as well. Let it be known that I am a fan of longer cycles but not everyone is. Short cycles are for prop though, so if you using test e I would go for it @ 16.

Lastly, you are wise not to have "concrete plans" for your Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Your gonna have to adjust it here and there, but if you use .25mg I would eat it EoD, not E3 or E4. Most people use .5mg EoD, but you should not overmedicate of course. You'll know as you go if it needs adjustment.

Is this your 1st cycle???? If so great job on research.

Agree with this. 16 weeks is fine. A little long for a first cycle but its not a big deal.
Clomid and Nova is better than just Nova IMO. Arimadex .25-.5eod adjust as needed. Good luck!
 
Yes this is my first cycle, thanks for the replies so far. Mainly I feel good about starting, it feels like I know what I am going to use, and how I am going to use it...as well as how to maximize the effectiveness of what I am using by paying strict attention to my diet/exercise. I guess I just feel like I am overlooking something, I am trying to control as much as possible for all side effects and just wanna make sure when I'm completely off post cycle therapy (pct) that I'm 100% back to how I was before the cycle...except for some extra pounds of muscle. I'm nervous about losing hair, nervous about damaging long term ability to have kids, blah blah. I am gonna have my bloodwork done 4-6 weeks after finishing Nolva to make sure everything is back in normal, healthy ranges. Hopefully I don't have a different looking face (concerned I might look different with weight gain!), gyno, less hair, or damaged testicles by then haha.

I'm also at a very tenuous point in my relationship with a woman, I hope being on Test won't make me screw it up but I'm sure that's just all in my head.

How does this look for a revision, good to go with this? Unfortunately I won't be able to get my hands on Clomid any time soon.


Weeks 1-14: 500mg Test-E a week
Weeks 2-16.5: 500iu hCG a week
Weeks 3-20: .25mg arimidex E3D, adjust as needed...(maybe .25mg every other day if it feels right, .5mg every other day if gyno arises)
Weeks 17-18: 40 mg nolva daily
Weeks 19-20: 20mg nolva daily

By tweaking it down to 14 weeks, I can have the ideal hCG timing. Will I really regret missing out on those extra 2 weeks of Test? I'm sure gains can be made in those extra two weeks, but 14 weeks is gonna still get me results comparable to 16 weeks, right? Is starting Arimidex week 3 good? Thanks again everyone.
 
I'd go 14 weeks, JMO. Like said add clomid if able, otherwise looks solid. If you're running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the lady issue after cycle is over should be next to none. You can always have some viagra or cialis on hand if you're stressing.
 
Yes this is my first cycle, thanks for the replies so far. Mainly I feel good about starting, it feels like I know what I am going to use, and how I am going to use it...as well as how to maximize the effectiveness of what I am using by paying strict attention to my diet/exercise. I guess I just feel like I am overlooking something, I am trying to control as much as possible for all side effects and just wanna make sure when I'm completely off post cycle therapy (pct) that I'm 100% back to how I was before the cycle...except for some extra pounds of muscle. I'm nervous about losing hair, nervous about damaging long term ability to have kids, blah blah. I am gonna have my bloodwork done 4-6 weeks after finishing Nolva to make sure everything is back in normal, healthy ranges. Hopefully I don't have a different looking face (concerned I might look different with weight gain!), gyno, less hair, or damaged testicles by then haha.

I'm also at a very tenuous point in my relationship with a woman, I hope being on Test won't make me screw it up but I'm sure that's just all in my head.

How does this look for a revision, good to go with this? Unfortunately I won't be able to get my hands on Clomid any time soon.


Weeks 1-14: 500mg Test-E a week
Weeks 2-16.5: 500iu hCG a week
Weeks 3-20: .25mg arimidex E3D, adjust as needed...(maybe .25mg every other day if it feels right, .5mg every other day if gyno arises)
Weeks 17-18: 40 mg nolva daily
Weeks 19-20: 20mg nolva daily

By tweaking it down to 14 weeks, I can have the ideal hCG timing. Will I really regret missing out on those extra 2 weeks of Test? I'm sure gains can be made in those extra two weeks, but 14 weeks is gonna still get me results comparable to 16 weeks, right? Is starting Arimidex week 3 good? Thanks again everyone.

This is the mirror image of what I planned on running for my first cycle, nice job man. As far as the 2 weeks of test left, do you have a buddy you could toss it to? I mean 2 weeks probably wont make a huge difference, but I want to keep the first one short and simple.

I think that the third week start on Adex is alright, but I'd probably go with a week 2 start or even week one.
 
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Yes this is my first cycle, thanks for the replies so far. Mainly I feel good about starting, it feels like I know what I am going to use, and how I am going to use it...as well as how to maximize the effectiveness of what I am using by paying strict attention to my diet/exercise. I guess I just feel like I am overlooking something, I am trying to control as much as possible for all side effects and just wanna make sure when I'm completely off PCT that I'm 100% back to how I was before the cycle...except for some extra pounds of muscle. I'm nervous about losing hair, nervous about damaging long term ability to have kids, blah blah. I am gonna have my bloodwork done 4-6 weeks after finishing Nolva to make sure everything is back in normal, healthy ranges. Hopefully I don't have a different looking face (concerned I might look different with weight gain!), gyno, less hair, or damaged testicles by then haha.

I'm also at a very tenuous point in my relationship with a woman, I hope being on Test won't make me screw it up but I'm sure that's just all in my head.

How does this look for a revision, good to go with this? Unfortunately I won't be able to get my hands on Clomid any time soon.


Weeks 1-14: 500mg Test-E a week
Weeks 2-16.5: 500iu hCG a week
Weeks 3-20: .25mg arimidex E3D, adjust as needed...(maybe .25mg every other day if it feels right, .5mg every other day if gyno arises)
Weeks 17-18: 40 mg nolva daily
Weeks 19-20: 20mg nolva daily

By tweaking it down to 14 weeks, I can have the ideal hCG timing. Will I really regret missing out on those extra 2 weeks of Test? I'm sure gains can be made in those extra two weeks, but 14 weeks is gonna still get me results comparable to 16 weeks, right? Is starting Arimidex week 3 good? Thanks again everyone.
don't be so nervous man. You'll still be able to have kids after this. And most likely will not have any hair issues from a cycle like this a well. Also nobody.can really tell u when to start ur adex..u gotta listen to ur own body. IMO I would just start it from day 1. You may not have estrogen problems from day 1 but starting then gives it time to start working.
 
90 grams of protein is 90 grams of protein, whether it comes from casein orwhey it doeant matter. Can't believe that info hasn't reached this board yet. Strong broscience here.

UHHHH what?!

casein digests in 5-6 hours. Whey is about 1 hour. Where is the broscience in that?
 
I guess I ordered 20 lbs of whey while drunk because I just noticed a shipping slip for it in the mail. Looks like I ordered Whey Protein Concentrate - High Grade [Milk] 100% from True Nutrition. Looking at their site now, should I have done a mix or something? It seems fine to me, but I dunno. The breakdown looks like this:

Got 20 pounds of it in strawberry flavor for $120 including shipping, not bad.

i.imgur.com/iXZGP.png

I mean, it's got 20g protein per 30g scoop, I'm probably good to go right?
 
I guess I ordered 20 lbs of whey while drunk because I just noticed a shipping slip for it in the mail. Looks like I ordered Whey Protein Concentrate - High Grade [Milk] 100% from True Nutrition. Looking at their site now, should I have done a mix or something? It seems fine to me, but I dunno. The breakdown looks like this:

Got 20 pounds of it in strawberry flavor for $120 including shipping, not bad.

i.imgur.com/iXZGP.png

I mean, it's got 20g protein per 30g scoop, I'm probably good to go right?

Yeah its cool. You remember the nursery rhyme that said " eating her curds and whey"? When you make cheese whey is what is strained out from the curds, thats why its milkbased.

Its nice to have casein before bed is all, you don't need it. Try to get most protein from food and only drink whey after workout. Oh and try not to get drunk for a while hehe.
 
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90 grams of protein is 90 grams of protein, whether it comes from casein orwhey it doeant matter. Can't believe that info hasn't reached this board yet. Strong broscience here.

I think he was referring to the fact that as long as your hitting your macros, the source isn't going to really matter and neither does timing.

He went as far to say whey and casein is the same, just before insulting our board. I do not agree, BUT I do feel debate is absolutely essential for a healthy research site. That being said, I did try to look things up about the topic but I keep drawing the same conclusion. If you go to sleep and you drank whey its gone in an hour. You will then sleep for 5-8 more hours w/o the ingredients to keep building muscle.

Protein may indeed be protein, but the absorbtion rate plays a major role. THIS is why we use whey PWO and not something else.
 
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90 grams of protein is 90 grams of protein, whether it comes from casein orwhey it doeant matter. Can't believe that info hasn't reached this board yet. Strong broscience here.
not true spike in amino acids in blood cause cascading affects which favur anabolic affect.
(eg. whey is better in my op.)
so it does matter what type of protein...


thats like saying a carb is a carb... not true
 
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16 weeks is great i feel the extra couple weeks really IS worth it. i rec 14-16 weeks to people myself.
also Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) over use (duration or dose wise, mostly dose wise it seems) might cause a bad long term affect on your testicle's and is why i only rec it at the end of cycle leading upto BUT NOT into PCT for most people.
500iu 2X a week for last 4-5 weeks and your good.
 
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