Post cycle therapy (pct) stopped working?

[roccodart440]

PCT stopped working?

THe 1st week after my cycle I went on nolvadex 40mgs. I felt great.

2nd week 40mgs. Felt great. Weight was still up, sex drive decenht and strong as a ox. Making gains beyond where I was on cycle.

3rd week. WHen nearing the 3 week mark and entering the 3 week mark I noticed my nuts seemed smaller. Maybe just tighter to my body for come reason. Sex drive has fallen way off. Bad. I'm using 20mgs now but started feeling this on 40mgs so I don't think dose is the issue. I also feel very tired the past few days. I think i'm a bit overtrainined in the chest. My CNS is shot right now.

What's going on?

 

[berealjohn]

THe 1st week after my cycle I went on nolvadex 40mgs. I felt great.

2nd week 40mgs. Felt great. Weight was still up, sex drive decenht and strong as a ox. Making gains beyond where I was on cycle.

3rd week. WHen nearing the 3 week mark and entering the 3 week mark I noticed my nuts seemed smaller. Maybe just tighter to my body for come reason. Sex drive has fallen way off. Bad. I'm using 20mgs now but started feeling this on 40mgs so I don't think dose is the issue. I also feel very tired the past few days. I think i'm a bit overtrainined in the chest. My CNS is shot right now.

What's going on?

Roccodart, I assume you came off a short half life AAS? I am like 53 days or so post cycle therapy (pct) long ester cycle. My 5 week post cycle therapy (pct), which Should be about the same place you at if short half was used. I felt the very same way. Felt like shit huffing & puffing during training session. My nuz ached a felt shrunken as they begin to drop back down. I had to push myself to work-out for the drive had left me & I felt weak as shit. I drop intensity (high reps more sets) and worked only compound lifts ( 2 hours after deadlifts and squats I was a horny mofo! week 6 & 7 I am good to go again! Brothra keep on push on, you'll rebound in a few days. Oh and eat like hell now, this is very important! You probaly will experience a little pudge around the waist as your test/ estrogen levels out.

 

[mikefear]

If you were using some long lasting test, it might just be that finally leaving your system and you returning to a more 'normal' state, rather than the elevated stage you were at while you were on cycle.

you might want to try some AIFM?

 

[roccodart440]

Roccodart, I assume you came off a short half life AAS? I am like 53 days or so post cycle therapy (pct) long ester cycle. My 5 week post cycle therapy (pct), which Should be about the same place you at if short half was used. I felt the very same way. Felt like shit huffing & puffing during training session. My nuz ached a felt shrunken as they begin to drop back down. I had to push myself to work-out for the drive had left me & I felt weak as shit. I drop intensity (high reps more sets) and worked only compound lifts ( 2 hours after deadlifts and squats I was a horny mofo! week 6 & 7 I am good to go again! Brothra keep on push on, you'll rebound in a few days. Oh and eat like hell now, this is very important! You probaly will experience a little pudge around the waist as your test/ estrogen levels out.

I used test E and sust but at the end I switched to prop while I was waiting for the longer esters to fizzle out. THe exact times are in my cycle log. I can look and post if need be.

I was surprised about the nuts seeming small because they were god. I used hcg from week 3 on.

I have noticed a bit of pudge appearing.

I am still very strong though.

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Should I add some clomid?

 

[jcp2]

I remembe reading a study saying that test levels went back to normal on post cycle therapy (pct), and then would drop when post cycle therapy (pct) was discontinued. But i don't remember ever reading something regarding this while still on. I also remember reading about possibly bridgin with 40mg of nolva, as it kept test levels slightly higher. Not sure if the drop in nolva caused this or not. My post cycle therapy (pct)'s were by feel and not by what was written down. I would run clomid for 100mg starting 5 days before the textbook says i was supposed to, and i would contine until morning wood became regular, i would then continue the clomid for as long as 3 more weeks at 50mg ed or eod. This was just as nolva was picking up steam, never used it though. I would up it back to 40mg for a while. I also remember a few people telling me and reading thing in regards to truly getting back on track took up to 6 weeks. I am kind of rambling at this point.

 

[SteelSouth]

Should I add some clomid?

I don't think it would hurt, maybe 50-75mg/day.

 

[berealjohn]

I waited it out and was after a week good to go! I never lost my wood. I did not think screwing all the time though like I did when I was on. At one piont the old lady said she was gonna find me a "Hoe"...lol. The clomid will work, but I hate that damn blurred vision I get after a couple of days @100mg.

 

[roccodart440]

When I used clomid I used it at 50mgs ED and didn't really get any vision probs. My doc told me alittle trick and that was to take it at night so your vision disturbance happrened while you are asleep.

 

[DADAWG]

I don't think it would hurt, maybe 50-75mg/day.

thats what i would do and continue any nolva that was allready planned .
as for cns failure/overtraining i think its important to continue intensity and heavy lifting but i believe backing off on reps and or sets while the hpta is suppresed is the key . high cortisol levels from overtraining can cause fatigue and decreased sex drive/lower test levels even when not post cycle so imagine what it can do to a allready suppresed hpta .

 

[roccodart440]

high cortisol levels from overtraining can cause fatigue and decreased sex drive/lower test levels even when not post cycle so imagine what it can do to a allready suppresed hpta .

I will heade this advice. I had a "session" tonight, if you will. No hard on probs and blwoing loads like peter north. I mean huge amounts of jizz.

I ned to start doing a heavy and light night if i'm going to keep up this twice a week bench thing. I know i'm overtrained right now. My joints feel it and my CNS is showing it too.

I decided to go to 40mg tamox (1dt two weeks were 50) I think i'll run it longer too if need be.

 

[Bast]

Ever considered using Slin in post cycle therapy (pct) also?

 

[BigRonWannabee]

Sounds like estrogen rebound shut you back down. Add an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (i recommend aromasin highly). Continue nolva and see where your at in a few weeks.

 

[SteelSouth]

Aromasin at 25mg/day for the win. I'll never do another post cycle therapy (pct) without it.

 

[Warmachine]

yeah add an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and do some "active recovery"

 

[gator_mclusky]

Ever considered using Slin in post cycle therapy (pct) also?

Sounds like a bad idea to me.

I've always used the standard protocol with Clomid with no problems. I also have also shot HCG at the end of my cycle as well. Did you use HCG at low dose throughout or at all. If i missed it somewhere in this thread i apologize.

Gator

 

[berealjohn]

When I used clomid I used it at 50mgs ED and didn't really get any vision probs. My doc told me alittle trick and that was to take it at night so your vision disturbance happrened while you are asleep.

If the clomid side's don't fuk with you, then hey 50 or 25 clomid & the 20 nolve combined should do the trick. What if you added the clomid and continue the taper? If I could handle the clomid I would always do the nolva/clomid combo. In past days i did the combo until I figured out which one was causing my blurred vision. I have 20/7 vision,( I can see a gnat on a turd @ 100 long steps) but can't hear the damn thunder! I gotta save my eyes bro!

 

[ManOfMuscle]

I have 20/7 vision

Is that even possible?

 

[Bast]

Sounds like a bad idea to me.
Gator

And why would that be? I have plenty friends who use it during cycle and during post cycle therapy (pct) also. Most say they come back quicker and dont loose that much.
Will be using it in a couple of weeks with nolva.

 

[roccodart440]

Ever considered using Slin in post cycle therapy (pct) also?

Considered it but have fear. Not fear of dieing but fear of damaging my bodies own insulin production and regulation.

Sounds like estrogen rebound shut you back down. Add an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (i recommend aromasin highly). Continue nolva and see where your at in a few weeks.

I'm not bloated or anything and I used arimidex up to post cycle therapy (pct)?

Aromasin at 25mg/day for the win. I'll never do another post cycle therapy (pct) without it.

Wouldn't that hurt your recovery of lipids? Swale says not to add an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to post cycle therapy (pct).

Sounds like a bad idea to me.

I've always used the standard protocol with Clomid with no problems. I also have also shot HCG at the end of my cycle as well. Did you use HCG at low dose throughout or at all. If i missed it somewhere in this thread i apologize.

Gator

Why would slin be a bad idea during post cycle therapy (pct)? It has no effect on test levels.

I"m using nolvadex instead of clomid.

I shot hcg from week 3 on. 250iu 2x EW.

 

[roccodart440]

If the clomid side's don't fuk with you, then hey 50 or 25 clomid & the 20 nolve combined should do the trick. What if you added the clomid and continue the taper? If I could handle the clomid I would always do the nolva/clomid combo. In past days i did the combo until I figured out which one was causing my blurred vision. I have 20/7 vision,( I can see a gnat on a turd @ 100 long steps) but can't hear the damn thunder! I gotta save my eyes bro!

I may do something like this. I've decided this week rather than go to 30mg tamox I only dropped to 40mg. Next week i'll drop to 30mg and may add some clomid at that point.

Keep in mind guys those numbers are in tamoxifen and not nolvadex. 20mg nolva=30mg tamox