Pre-disposed to gyno, run adex right off the bat?

[BXNY]

I've had gyno since I was a teenager. Not real bad, but it shows up off and on. Little bump gets itchy then hurts a little if something hits it- usually shows up for 3-5 days at a time, then disappears for a couple months. Rinse, recycle, repeat.

Anyways, I'm gonna go see a doc about it and get my blood tested for it (kind of a 2 birds/one stone deal) so I can 1: see why this is happening and 2: get a blood test analysis while I'm at it (since I'll need it before my cycle anyways).

So my question is, should I run .25mg adex eod right from the get go? Starting on day 1 of my cycle?

Will this be a good idea?


(on a similar note, I think I'm going to eventually get all that stuff cut out surgically anyways to rid myself of it, most likely post-cycle).

And another question, on a 12-week cycle should I run the adex .25mg eod during my 2 week pre-pct time and then also during pct (essentially run adex for 18 weeks eod)?

Kind of confused on the matter and since I'm young, dumb and full of... Errr questions, I thought I'd ask and learn.

 

[UserAt204]

All good questions.

Pubertal gyno is a little different but I would say that makes you prone to it. I don't know if I would start day one but you absolutely could. I tend to wait about two weeks unless you notice a flare right away.

I really prefer aromisin (exemestane) because it's easy on lipids, and it's suicidal among other things. Aromisin will not cause a rebound in estro when you stop use, adex can cause a rebound but you would just taper the dose down the last two weeks.

I think you are choosing a good starting dose. I'm gyno prone, I have it every cycle, but I control it with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Even though I'm gyno prone, i seem to be sensitive to ai's so I have to use very low doses, where other guys could run more than me off cycle and not crash estro. So it's smart to start low until you have an idea of how you respond. If you notice it changing or getting worse you just increase your dose a little but it can take a week or two to see any change.

When you see the doc have him check estro, total test, free test, lh, fsh, alt, ast, kidneys, rbc, CBC w/diff. If you can get these done it would be a good starting point for you to have pre cycle labs. I try to check these before, during, and after cycle but it's good you will have a baseline to go from to judge recovery.

I would get labs when you are having the gyno sensitivity but that may be hard to do if it comes and goes but it's most likely elevated estro as a teen.

How tall are you? I always wonder about this in guys who get gyno as a teen, because estro causes gyno and closes growth plates so I wonder if there is a correlation. Also whats your bf like? Generally men with higher bf have more aromatase enzymes which can mean more estro. If you don't want to answer these its no problem, I'm just curious.

And you would start close to the beginning with your Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and continue all the way until the end of post cycle therapy (pct). That would include the two weeks after last inject and during post cycle therapy (pct). Aromisin works well with serms so if you haven't bought an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) yet, read up on aromisin, IMO it's a better choice, if you want to use adex that is fine to.

I would look into Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well for during the cycle and the two weeks before serm use but it can cause elevated estro so Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is again needed.

 

[BXNY]

All good questions.

Pubertal gyno is a little different but I would say that makes you prone to it. I don't know if I would start day one but you absolutely could. I tend to wait about two weeks unless you notice a flare right away.

If it is already flared, would that change the approach?

I really prefer aromisin (exemestane) because it's easy on lipids, and it's suicidal among other things. Aromisin will not cause a rebound in estro when you stop use, adex can cause a rebound but you would just taper the dose down the last two weeks.
Aromisin is something I've been reading a lot about lately. What do you mean by suicidal? Is Aromisin more readily available than adex? I just relocated for work and am trying to keep everything simple and with great availability. I fear some of the more exotic compounds will have to wait until I can bump into more of the 'right' people.

I think you are choosing a good starting dose. I'm gyno prone, I have it every cycle, but I control it with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Even though I'm gyno prone, i seem to be sensitive to ai's so I have to use very low doses, where other guys could run more than me off cycle and not crash estro. So it's smart to start low until you have an idea of how you respond. If you notice it changing or getting worse you just increase your dose a little but it can take a week or two to see any change.

When you see the doc have him check estro, total test, free test, lh, fsh, alt, ast, kidneys, rbc, CBC w/diff. If you can get these done it would be a good starting point for you to have pre cycle labs. I try to check these before, during, and after cycle but it's good you will have a baseline to go from to judge recovery.

I was going to use the checklist that is in one of the stickies above with all the different ranges and figures. Would the doc suspect something if I were to ask about detailed and specific ranges? Are the lab work numbers hard to get from the doc? I've heard they don't like giving them up.

I would get labs when you are having the gyno sensitivity but that may be hard to do if it comes and goes but it's most likely elevated estro as a teen.

How tall are you? I always wonder about this in guys who get gyno as a teen, because estro causes gyno and closes growth plates so I wonder if there is a correlation. Also whats your bf like? Generally men with higher bf have more aromatase enzymes which can mean more estro. If you don't want to answer these its no problem, I'm just curious.
I'm 6'1"-2", depending on the time of the day.

And you would start close to the beginning with your Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and continue all the way until the end of post cycle therapy (pct). That would include the two weeks after last inject and during post cycle therapy (pct). Aromisin works well with serms so if you haven't bought an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) yet, read up on aromisin, IMO it's a better choice, if you want to use adex that is fine to.
Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I'm going to research the aromisin, and then research it against the adex. But I'm positive that what you are saying is true.
I would look into Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well for during the cycle and the two weeks before serm use but it can cause elevated estro so Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is again needed.

Again, thank you for the very informative and full response. I answered in the bolded parts.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

yea, what he said

 

[BXNY]

Ttt

 

[illmaticyo]

i had gyno as a teen that didnt go away till i had surgery a few months ago, im on my 2nd cycle now and have never had any gyno symptoms no itchy nips or sensitivity even when i did a cycle before surgery. i dont think theres really a link between steroid induced gyno and pubertal.

 

[BXNY]

I went with the aromisin. Now for dose, I think I'll start out at 6mg eod to see if it works. If not, jump to 12.5 eod.

Good call?

 

[Chi23]

i had pubertal gyno and it seemed to flare up the worst it had as the test started kicking in. i started taking aromasin 25mg ed all through cycle and pct and it stopped it, however mine still is a little bigger than before.

i would like to get mine cut out sometime in the future.

and user i stopped growing shortly after i hit puberty. only 5'7''. my physical for my freshmen year i remember was when it stopped , i do look alot bigger at a low weight though ha

 

[Chi23]

oh and bxny when i stopped the test i dropped down to 12.5mg ed

 

[BXNY]

How long did it take before you noticed aromisin kicking in?

Reason I ask is so I know when to up the dose.

I'll start at 6mg ed from the first shot on and see what happens. Then, if symptoms don't subside by day 4, bump to 12, if symptoms still there, goto 18 then to 25.

I just want to know how many days went by before you notice a change that way I can set my 'timer' on when to increase.

After the cycle, I'll go in to have mine cut out. Tired of it.

 

[Dr.Phoenix]

For Gyno, Letrozole is the best. It eliminated my gyno in 5-6 weeks even tough at that moment i was using some other steroids. That stuff is the most potent according to my experience

 

[gymrat827]

For Gyno, Letrozole is the best. It eliminated my gyno in 5-6 weeks even tough at that moment i was using some other steroids. That stuff is the most potent according to my experience

x2x...


gyno, letro is your answer. most use prami/caber too but letro is really the only thing you need.


Id also tell you to use aromasin while on cycle. id start at 6 or 12mg and see how you do.

if your nips give you issues or your holding lots of water bump up the dose. if you can also get bloodwork done during the cycle it would be huge.


there are mail in blood tests you can do yourself. no insurance BS, no doctor BS, no one finds out except you.....

 

[Solid Snake]

I would say if you have access to the AI's definitely go with what User said. Ive never had real problems with gyno, at least hard tissue, until my current cycle. 2 days in on test/dbol and a bump began to form behind my nip. i started running .25mg of adex eod and that kept it from getting out of control. its still there but since coming off dbol 4 days ago it has significantly decreased in size. Ill give it another week or two to see if it clears on its own, otherwise ill probably run some letro for a while.

long story short, if you are really concerned about it get AIs. Get a variety of them and find which works best for you. Personally Im using adex now but I also have aromasin that I plan switching to during PCT, and I have letro strictly for battling any severe estro related side effects.