Putting together my first cycle

AntM1564

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This will be my first cycle, but I am not running it until mid-end summer, maybe even the start of the fall. I'm just trying to get everything together now.

Weeks 1-12

Test E 500mg/week
HCG 500iu/week
Aromasin 12.5 mg/EOD

Weeks 13-14

HCG 500iu/week (will stop 10 days in, 4 days before PCT)

Weeks 14-18

Nolva 40/40/20/20

How does this look?

And I have a stupid question. I am not a math guy and want to make sure mine is right. If my test is 250mg/ml and the vial is 10 ml, that is 2500mg for the vial, but for a 12 week cycle I would need 6000, so I would need 3 vials, correct?

Also, I am confused on which Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I should use and even if I should run it or keep it on hand. This is the one thing that I can't seem to find a straight answer on.
 
I usually see Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) reserved for post cycle therapy (pct) - are you concerned about desensitizing yourself to it running it for 12 weeks like that? Any links to info about other people/studies suggesting it? I'm personally not very clear on that.

Math:
250mg/mL * 10mL = 2500mg

2500mg * 3 = 7500mg , which should be far more than enough. Plan on keeping the extra or adjusting the dosages so you don't have more than half a vial leftover :)
 
carefuln running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) bro, can be dangerous if u dont know wtf u r doing with it. You dont need it on ur first run imo.
 
first cycle

I am planning my first cycle as well. Ordering this week. Doing same cycle but varied a little.

test e 500 a week. 2 shots a week. 25 guage

HCG 500 a week. 2 shots a week. insulin needles. May not need for a first cycle but don't want my boys shrinking too much and makes it easier for PCT.

Aromasin 12.5 ed. (some say to do it for bloat and acne, some say don't) Why take a chance. Is better than arimidex and safer. Life span is short so they say ed instead of eod.

Nolva is okay, but would recommend going with clomid as well. They both work differently so a mix is recommended. 40/40/20/20 nolva 50/50/25/25 clomid

Need any help let me know.
 
Found this on another board, there was no reference or link, but it was referred to as the "Swalle protocol".

"I advise my anabolic androgenic steroids patients to use small amounts of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - human chorionic gonadotropin - (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - human chorionic gonadotropin - per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - human chorionic gonadotropin - is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. lh - leutenizing hormone - levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a selective estrogen receptor modulator, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of anabolic androgenic steroids (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - human chorionic gonadotropin - within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an aromatase inhibitor while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase lh - leutenizing hormone - production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols."
 
I usually see Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) reserved for post cycle therapy (pct) - are you concerned about desensitizing yourself to it running it for 12 weeks like that? Any links to info about other people/studies suggesting it? I'm personally not very clear on that.

Math:
250mg/mL * 10mL = 2500mg

2500mg * 3 = 7500mg , which should be far more than enough. Plan on keeping the extra or adjusting the dosages so you don't have more than half a vial leftover :)


HCG IS NEVER used or kept for post cycle therapy (pct)!
not sure where you seen this other then peopel who dont know what tere doing and using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) AS a post cycle therapy (pct).
what you might see is people talkign about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to MAKE post cycle therapy (pct) BETTER, but NOT IN OR DURING post cycle therapy (pct) i can assure you.
 
alo i like letro on hand as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and use it at 0.6 to around 1mg 1-2 times a week (about 3 days aprat per dose)
 
HCG IS NEVER used or kept for PCT!
not sure where you seen this other then peopel who dont know what tere doing and using HCG AS a pct.
what you might see is people talkign about HCG to MAKE pct BETTER, but NOT IN OR DURING PCT i can assure you.

That's what I meant, to help make a a PCT better. Came out wrong. Sorry! :)
 
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All I have left to order is my Aromatase inhibitor (AI), needles and syringes. I cannot wait until I run this. Here is the new plan

Weeks 1-12

test E 500mg/week (2 shots of 250 a week)
HCG 500iu/week (2 shots of 250 a week)
Aromasin 12.5 mg/ED

Weeks 13-14

HCG 500iu/week (will stop 10 days in, 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct))

Weeks 14-18

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25

I would have enough to do 14 weeks. I MAY do this if the gains are still coming through week 12, if not, post cycle therapy (pct) will start. I am not going to run more test if I am not gaining much from it after the first 12.

One question, I know the shot types are different, between hCG and Test, so would it be fine to inject the same day or would it be better to go different days?
 
You could start HCG a bit sooner if you wish.
And i'd drop clomid, no need for that with this cycle.
 
I personally would want to have left over test so if you get 3 vials I'd up the dose to 600-625 just to use it all in 12 weeks.
 
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