Quick Calorie Question, As Best As I Can Explain.

[drunkmonk]

What if someone doesn't meet the calorie by weight protocol for a bulking cycle yet they basically double their normal calorie intake? How much good would the doubling of the calories do instead of meeting let's say, 4000 calorie diet of a bulking phase? I'm having trouble explaining this question, I can feel it. So, comparing these three...
NO calorie increase vs.
DOUBLING calorie intake vs.
GOALS being met on calories?

thanks.

 

[anzel]

It depends on if doubling brings it close enough to what you should be eating.
Let's say 4000 is a bulk for you. You have to be eating at least 2000 cals a day already so double is your bulk.
But if you are eating 1500 cals which is weak...by doubling you are only at 3000 cals
A full 1000 cals below your bulk is a cut so it's no good.
But how much are you eating anyway? For me to bulk I need 3200 to 3500 cals. So I can cut easy with just 2400.
And you have to be eating about 2000 cals even if you don't care and just nibble and pic. I can't imagine a guy eating less than that.

 

[Megatron28]

I agree. Depends on how much you are doubling. What if he eats 1000 calories a day but his TDEE is 3500. Doubling it to 2000 will still leave him in a deficit -- just less of one.

 

[drunkmonk]

It depends on if doubling brings it close enough to what you should be eating.
Let's say 4000 is a bulk for you. You have to be eating at least 2000 cals a day already so double is your bulk.
But if you are eating 1500 cals which is weak...by doubling you are only at 3000 cals
A full 1000 cals below your bulk is a cut so it's no good.
But how much are you eating anyway? For me to bulk I need 3200 to 3500 cals. So I can cut easy with just 2400.
And you have to be eating about 2000 cals even if you don't care and just nibble and pic. I can't imagine a guy eating less than that.

so basically even if one is to double their calorie intake it does no good. Must hit that goal? i was aiming at 3500 calories for 10 weeks (short cycle obviously). I did well for the first 6 weeks. It was my first cycle and I've learned alot.

 

[drunkmonk]

I agree. Depends on how much you are doubling. What if he eats 1000 calories a day but his TDEE is 3500. Doubling it to 2000 will still leave him in a deficit -- just less of one.

so deficit is always a no grow? no go..

 

[drunkmonk]

so at one point i drank coconut oil... bad idea. bluuughk!

 

[Gainjin260]

so deficit is always a no grow? no go..

Natty, most likely yes. But AAS bend the rules. My first go with test I was at 800-1000 deficit and gained lots of muscle while losing lots of fat.

 

[drunkmonk]

Natty, most likely yes. But AAS bend the rules. My first go with test I was at 800-1000 deficit and gained lots of muscle while losing lots of fat.

ok thank you.

 

[anzel]

But keep in mind...if your looking to maximize your gains eating at mass/bulk level is what you wanna do. Not that you can't gain muscle in a deficit using AAS but how much are you leaving on the table because your not eating enough.

 

[3J]

keep in mind your metabolism is adaptive... eat 1000 cals a day long enough and your metabolism goes into starvation mode and slows to survive..

so if youre eating 1000 calories a day, i would slowly reverse diet to the maint calories you should be at

perfect example.. i have a current client who was on 1500 calories a day trying to lose weight.. 170lb guy.. horrible.. his weight wouldn't budge

i reverse diet him to 2500 calories.. he is losing an average of 2lbs a week..

why? because his metabolism sped up and didn't feel like it needed to slow down and allowed for weight loss.. pretty simple..

 

[drunkmonk]

Very cool 3j. Thanks.