Really light oral first cycle (reasons- check inside!). Suggestions and help?

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Hey there everyone. I've been lurking for a few weeks and reading threads and doing research, trying to learn a bit.

I'm thinking about a short/light oral cycle in the next few weeks. I know I'm in for a round of "why oral-only" questions and bashing, so let me explain.

Stats:
-I'm 20 (almost 21), been training for about 5 years, past 3 very serious (seem to have hit a ceiling the past half-year though).
-5'8", 176 lbs.

I'm going to be starting a tested sport (not strength or track-based - it's not to help me in my sport), so my main reason for an oral would be so it would be out of my system in about 4-6 weeks, rather than the several month scale of an injectable, which would be too close (I've heard of injectable metabolites showing up many months afterwards in tests, whereas some athletes who seriously pop Winstrol (winny) tabs pass tests 5 days after coming off). Not scared of needles or anything, in fact I probably will move to the more correct approach of a test-based cycle once out of school/athletics.

My choices available from my source would be 2 out of the following 4 tabs every day (same one can be picked twice, if that's the best option, in your opinion)
-10mg TBol ED
-10mg Winstrol ED
-10mg Dbol ED
-25mg Methyltestosterone ED

Supposedly Gen-Shi brand.
Two of the four above, this would be for a total of 4-5 weeks.

I know I won't make huge size or strength gains off of this cycle, but I'm looking for a slight edge in the gym, as I'll still be sticking even harder to my 4-5 times in the week and to even stricter nutrition/training principles than in the main year, when college gets in the way. I hope it could help me out some. Also, I just got a blood test done, and I have test levels towards the lower end of the normal range for my age unfortunately. I figured a low dose would help combat this.

The reason for the short length would be to minimize any unwanted side effects (HPTA shutdown and other side effects seems unlikely at such low doses for 4-5 weeks, even at my age, and I'll probably bounce back quick even if I do shutdown on such a short length), and to minimize heptatoxicity. It's also my first cycle.

I've also read that turinabol doesn't aromatize and even has a mild anti-estrogen effect, so minimal post cycle therapy (pct) with turinabol+dianabol might be alright at a 10mg+10mg dose for 4-5 weeks.

Is 5-7lbs and some mild size/strength/speed gains possible on a cycle of 2 of the above? Consider I'm only 5'8 and have lowish natural test levels. I'm leaning towards 2x10mg Tbol ED or 10mg Tbol+10mg Dbol ED, which would probably put my levels a small tad above the range for a few weeks. Which two would you recommend for the best size/strength gains that I could keep with not too many side effects, in your experience? I welcome your wisdom and suggestions.
:beertoast:
 
Hey bro,
Do not do 2 orals at the same time. That is too toxic on your liver.
Out of your choices above the best IMO is Tbol. Good enough for all of the old Eastern Block Nations, good enough for me. But your dose is on the female side bro.
For men the common dose is 15-40mgs for 4-8 weeks. Typically at the high end.
Tbol is a really nice compound. I prefer it to Dbol most of the time and not as liver toxic either. And also whats nice about Tbol is the gains are mostly permanant. You do need to adjust your diet to get the full benefit from any steroid tho and that means feel it!
Good luck.
 
if you must go this route

tbol 50-60mg wks 1-6

the dbol and mtest are not even options man

I completely disagree.

If you MUST go this route - don't waste your time. Just don't cycle anything. You won't make any worthwhile gains on that stuff.
 
im not bashing but put that coin towards a better cycle next time around when you can.... for now buy a preworkout NO product for that short term extra push
 
I completely disagree.

If you MUST go this route - don't waste your time. Just don't cycle anything. You won't make any worthwhile gains on that stuff.

actually i 100% agree with you......i just didnt want to say the same old cycle advice stuff....more a 'save him from himself' considering he had methyl test up there

hes gonna do it anyway....these kind of posts are only looking for validation, so if 20 of us say what you did,which is the right answer obviously, but he sees something like mine......exactly

op, i was there man,everyone has there reasons, n so on, for not pinning...really its better, safer, cheaper, uh better, gains can actually be kept, you actually feel fine.......

really i should delete that shitty advice
 
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I completely disagree.

If you MUST go this route - don't waste your time. Just don't cycle anything. You won't make any worthwhile gains on that stuff.

I've read that "the maximum blood concentration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration" If anything, I'm just looking for a small push up to what would be considered slightly "above normal" for my age group, as my levels are already quite low and hindering me. Thanks for your suggestions against dbol and methyltest - I hear the methyltest specifically has a high tendency for side effects/aromatization.

Mr. Zedhed - if the common male dose is 15-40mg, and I'm relatively smallish and young, would 20mg total ED be ok, especially when you consider toxicity and that it supposedly frees up your natural test. levels in the first few weeks (because it binds to SHBG)? Should I up to 30mg ED? You sound like you have some experience with tbol, what can you tell me about what to expect?

Mr. JT - I'm definitely going to go for a proper cycle once I'm out of school/athletics. I'm good on supps for the time being, I like to stick with the proven basics - whey protein and creatine mono. I def have the motivation and pump in the gym. I tried a buddy's NO Xplode for a week, and it unfortunately didn't do much for me.

Mr. Tman + Mr. Glubgawd - unfortunately, no test. or even injections for the time being because of testing concerns. I'm planning a test-based proper cycle for once I'm out of school/athletics though.
 
How do you know your Test levels are low?

Well if you are gonna be tested, why even bother...what sport is it anyway? is it college level?

Are they testing for specific drugs??? or just a hormone panel, so you could shoot 200mg/week and be fine...you need to find this out.

OR Stick to being natural, cause if you are worried about being tested forget about any juice...also, if you aren't awesome at your sport naturally, well you won't be much better on anything.
 
you say testing concerns, i call BS

with prop it would be down to normal levels within 10 days. its hard to test for testosterone cause we have it already in our body. you prolly have more of a chance getting caught with something foreign in there.

so stop making excuses, your too pussy to inject.......................PERIOD

if they said something about LH and FSH just tell them your taking andromass lol
 
Mr. Truepitbull - I just had yearly bloodwork done, I have test levels pretty low in the reference range for my age group, but still in the normal range. It is a college-level sport, but it's not strength-based at all. In fact, being big is usually more of a hindrance (not track/field either). I'm pretty good at my sport already, and the gear is not to help that at all and definitely won't. This is for my own BB goals. In fact, I'm dropping the sport and sticking to my studies after this season (it's also not a division I sport either). It's the typical NCAA drug test, and I know a few people get picked from the team each year for it - they're looking specifically for things like AAS, stimulants, street drugs, etc.

Mr. THE-DET-OAK - I don't have any problems at all with needles. The test prop seems like a good idea actually (thank you also Mr. Derdog for that suggestion), turns out the metabolites might only stick around in the blood system for 2-3 weeks as opposed to the 3 months for other test esters.
I'm don't think they check things like FSH or LH, but my levels should be back in a few weeks from a short cycle of about 5 weeks. BTW, Prohormones are banned too. You have to pretty much take in nothing but food and water for these guys to be happy -they advise that even "nutritional supplements" are not approve by them and may cause you to fail their drug tests.

How's about this for a quick first cycle -
250-300mg test prop a week (split up to every other day)
20mg Oral Turinabol ED
Typical PCT for 2 weeks, if necessary.

And I'm thinking about 60mcg Clenbuterol every day for two weeks somewhere before or after the cycle. What kind of results might I see from that? Opinions, guys?

The test prop looks like a pain in the ass (every other day?!). I live with a bunch of other students, any ideas on how I can keep it kinda secret with that kind of frequency? What do/would you guys do?
Thanks again for all your help :beertoast
 
Mr. Truepitbull - I just had yearly bloodwork done, I have test levels pretty low in the reference range for my age group, but still in the normal range. It is a college-level sport, but it's not strength-based at all. In fact, being big is usually more of a hindrance (not track/field either). I'm pretty good at my sport already, and the gear is not to help that at all and definitely won't. This is for my own BB goals. In fact, I'm dropping the sport and sticking to my studies after this season (it's also not a division I sport either). It's the typical NCAA drug test, and I know a few people get picked from the team each year for it - they're looking specifically for things like AAS, stimulants, street drugs, etc.

Mr. THE-DET-OAK - I don't have any problems at all with needles. The test prop seems like a good idea actually (thank you also Mr. Derdog for that suggestion), turns out the metabolites might only stick around in the blood system for 2-3 weeks as opposed to the 3 months for other test esters.
I'm don't think they check things like FSH or LH, but my levels should be back in a few weeks from a short cycle of about 5 weeks. BTW, Prohormones are banned too. You have to pretty much take in nothing but food and water for these guys to be happy -they advise that even "nutritional supplements" are not approve by them and may cause you to fail their drug tests.

How's about this for a quick first cycle -
250-300mg test prop a week (split up to every other day)
20mg Oral Turinabol ED
Typical PCT for 2 weeks, if necessary.

And I'm thinking about 60mcg Clenbuterol every day for two weeks somewhere before or after the cycle. What kind of results might I see from that? Opinions, guys?

The test prop looks like a pain in the ass (every other day?!). I live with a bunch of other students, any ideas on how I can keep it kinda secret with that kind of frequency? What do/would you guys do?
Thanks again for all your help :beertoast

this stuff is pricey. theres no way around it. you wont be happy with the cycle you have laid out. i would not go lower than 350/week on the prop and double the tbol dosage. if you are going to run clen, you will prbly need more than 60 and you could throw it in during pct but its not necessary at all. pct is a must on all cycles. 4 weeks. anything else? lol
 
How much weight do people typically lose off of 2 weeks of Clen (~100mcg dosages), assuming there is a slight caloric deficit and weights 4-5x a week? And I can't seem to find any straight answer on whether or not you should do cardio with it. Opinions?
 
if u are performing in the college level testing wont really happen much until you get to the big shows. and yeah th orals will pump you while on them but almost all is lost after that nothing beats pinning. gl hope you get all your answers.
 
if u are performing in the college level testing wont really happen much until you get to the big shows. and yeah th orals will pump you while on them but almost all is lost after that nothing beats pinning. gl hope you get all your answers.

Really? Do they ever just test during the year before the competitions? What's your experience dude?

Also, what's the consensus - clen before or after the cycle and with/without cardio?
 
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