safe-mail really safe?

Mr.SUST

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this is a cut-and-paste from another board:
Is Safe-Mail.Net Unsafe?

Safe-mail.net is one of several e-mail services that offer to provide secure, encrypted, web-based e-mail service to theuploaded-file-30871 general public. The idea seems to be that people who would not be willing to take the fairly short amount of time to learn to use PGP encryption would be able to secure their e-mail by trusting a third party, in this case the folks at Safe-mail.net.

We reject that idea on several grounds. First, the company that provides Internet services for hosting the Safe-mail.net system is Barak.net.il, based on our review of the domain registration for Safe-mail.net. Barak.net.il is one of three companies with a license from the Israeli government for providing similar Internet services, according to the English-language version of their web site, as we understand it. Perhaps it is merely a coincidence that Ehud Barak was once head of the Israeli Defense Forces intelligence branch.

Second, the Safe-mail.net system is “an IP trap.” Our anonymous friend indicates that your IP address is linked to your e-mail account. The user agreement indicates that it is a violation of the user agreement to employ an anonymous proxy or otherwise attempt to mask your true IP address. So, while no identifying information (name, address, phone) is requested when you set up an account, your IP address may be traced to your physical location, or at least to your specific Internet Service Provider, even if dynamic IP addresses are used. Thus, your location and possibly your identity would be exposed. Also, IP addresses are not stripped from e-mails you send from your Safe-mail account, so your recipients see this information. (And, of course, you may be tempted to identify yourself to your correspondents within your purportedly encrypted e-mails.)

Third, Safe-mail.net makes the usual disclosure that they may disclose your account activity, stored e-mails, and other information upon court order or law enforcement request. They make the unusual variation of this disclosure by stating that they may disclose these things whenever it is in their interest to do so. This vague contract clause should scare anyone who thinks about it even briefly. Given that Barak.net.il is licensed by the Israeli government, it would seem quite likely that the Israeli government could command that the data from all Safe-mail.net accounts be provided to the government, and it would clearly be in the best interests of Barak.net.il and conceivably, by extension, Safe-mail.net to make such disclosure. Then it would seem to become a question of whether you have reason to trust the Israeli government.

We found no details about the encryption algorithms used to provide for security with Safe-mail.net. An investigation of Israeli law suggests that there is a mandate that encryption have back doors or key escrow for use by Israeli authorities. So, again, it would appear to be a matter of whether you have reason to trust the Israeli government. We don’t have anything against the Israeli government that we don’t also hold against nearly all other governments worldwide.

It is widely known that Israeli security and intelligence services have cooperative relationships with the related services of other countries. For example, if a USA government agency wanted information on someone who happens to use a Safe-mail.net account, it seems logical to suppose that a request (formal or informal) might be made to the Israeli government.

While it is impossible to know whether or not Safe-mail.net accounts are “Mossad-transparent” or a kind of intelligence sting operation run by the Mossad, or others within the Israeli government, what is publicly stated about the system seems to be closely aligned with what one would expect to find in that case. We have no information presently at hand that would tend to disprove the hypothesis that Safe-mail.net is an intelligence sting operation.

There is always free meat in a bear trap. Be careful.
 
if ur worried about ip, run tor browser, it bounces your ip from different networks, making you undetectable, sure pages wont load as fast but everytime you load something youll have a different ip
 
Some shady stuff going on with Safemail these days....... I thionk. Some emails have been deleted or hacked and therefore unable to login into it.............shady stuff. Cut your losses and start a new one on another server........any ideas of a safer site?? I have seen some people here that have dropped safemail for another server. A good thing only lasts so long......... we have to be on our toes. Am I being paranoid??????? Well, there are many people who who can't login for gear orders........ but some can. I'm done with safemail.......I heard of countermail.com gonna look into that one.
 
Hushmail is one of the worst offenders man. They helped LEO by giving out "safe" emails regarding steroids during one of their biggest gear related stings. Operation Gear Grinder I believe.

Thanks! i have not used it yet but created an account
 
yep not safe so i use google or hot mail and le tit drown out in the millions of other users, got nothing to hid. what you gonna bug me for a few aas order? knock yourself out. (I'm in Canada, USA is nutz with their aas laws so i guess for you guys there is more worry)
 
yep not safe so i use google or hot mail and le tit drown out in the millions of other users, got nothing to hid. what you gonna bug me for a few aas order? knock yourself out. (I'm in Canada, USA is nutz with their aas laws so i guess for you guys there is more worry)

Yes, May I please have some sauce? Thankyou. ROFL.
 
Agreed. Security through obscurity.
The other thing to mention that is easily forgotten: Everything you write here in this forum is read by someone you dont want reading it. Use caution on what you say here too. IMHO

yep not safe so i use google or hot mail and le tit drown out in the millions of other users, got nothing to hid. what you gonna bug me for a few aas order? knock yourself out. (I'm in Canada, USA is nutz with their aas laws so i guess for you guys there is more worry)
 
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