Second cycle. A little something extra...some help, please?

[Micklos]

So...I'm mid-way through my first cycle and it's going good. I'm using Test-E @250/250, and was using d-bol at 40mg/day for the first 5 weeks. Also using HCG @250/250 iu/wk and NAC

So, I know it's early to be thinking about a second cycle, but, since I will most likely be waiting much longer than cycle+pct before starting another, I'd rather have plenty of time to get what I need

I'm thinking of staying with Test-E, mainly because I got extra and already have 5 weeks worth beyond what I need for this cycle. The D-bol kickstart worked well, so I may keep that, since I had no sides.
I also have enough Deca for 5 weeks @400mg/wk
Oh, and I have some proviron lying around too.

So, I was thinking of buying more Test and Deca and using that as my cycle. Test @500mg/wk (250/250) and Deca at 400mg/wk (200/200) I'll stick with the d-bol kickstart, I guess...maybe..I dunno

Was wondering about using a short ester at the beginning. Would that effectively lengthen the cycle, since I'm not waiting so long for my levels to come up?

Will use the PCT calculator and see what that spits out, but...would it be radically different to what I'll be using for this cycle? I gather it's still fine to use Nolva and clomid. (cus, yeah...I have some lying around so won't have to buy much extra)

Is it worth adding in the proviron? I don't know too much about the stuff, and since I'm already introducing one new substance in the Deca, perhaps it's not a good idea.

Is arimidex still cool for an ai? I'm currently using .5mg eod, though maybe that's too much. Hard to say as I feel fine and can;t find anywhere here to get bloodwork done.

And...since I hear Deca needs to be run quite a while to get the most out of it, is it too soon to try a 14 week cycle?

So...all in all, something like this...

Wks 1-5 D-bol 40mg/day
wks 1-12 (maybe 1-14?) Test-E @500mg/w
wks 1-12 (maybe 1-14?) Deca @400mg/w
HCG throughout at 500iu/wk
AI - Whatever is best!
NAC - yeah, that too.

And for PCT, whatever the calculator spits out (I'm guessing I don't include the D-bol, since surely it's long gone by PCT time.

I seem to remember reading that you should stop Deca before you stop test...or maybe the other way around...Any truth there?

I know that's a lot of open questions that depend on other things, but...you know...lol

Anyway, I'm looking strictly to bulk, here. I'm 37, 5'10. Can't say how much I'll weigh by the time I get around to this cycle but it will probably be in the region of 210 - 220 with a 10lb margin for error.
BF is pretty low. Never had it accurately measured, but it's definitely no more than a few percentage points above or below 10%. I don't like the super cut look. I'm not a competitive bodybuilder, but I'm happy to cut up a bit to prevent sides, though I've had none at all so far on this cycle. (I'm on week 7)

Pretty sure that's everything. Oh...When I see mg, I think milligrams, but surely it's micrograms. I'm just used to people using the actual symbol (the one that looks like a letter u with two tails) Anyways...that wasn't really a question...just a bugbear.

 

[drforce4080]

Quick point- mg= milligram, mcg= microgram. Testosterone is measured in milligrams along with pretty much most stuff you're gonna be using on cycle.
The dosages look good and I do believe you would want to stop the deca a week or two earlier than the test as I believe the half life of deca is a bit longer. Nothing wrong with adding something new I just personally wouldn't add more than 1 new compound per cycle so you know whats causing issues if you start having bad sides.

 

[Micklos]

Quick point- mg= milligram, mcg= microgram. Testosterone is measured in milligrams along with pretty much most stuff you're gonna be using on cycle.
The dosages look good and I do believe you would want to stop the deca a week or two earlier than the test as I believe the half life of deca is a bit longer. Nothing wrong with adding something new I just personally wouldn't add more than 1 new compound per cycle so you know whats causing issues if you start having bad sides.

Yeah, my bad. I was confused for a sec because grams are the base unit for weight, and liters are for liquids, but a milliliter of water weighs one gram, not milligram, or...I dunno. It's late. I had a blonde moment.
Yeah, since I'm already adding Deca, I'll leave the proviron. I'm just cheap and I hate wasting stuff. Maybe it will keep, or maybe it won't be worth hanging onto.
I'll look into when to stop the Deca, relative to the test. I'm guessing I'd start PCT 21 days after last pin, but I'll see what his calculatorness has to say about it.

 

[drforce4080]

Proviron could add some anti-e effects but an ai would be more effective. It should keep for a long while if you store it properly. I'd probably use the proviron for a cutting cycle. Yes 1 ml of water is 1g at room temp.

 

[Micklos]

Okay, so, I gather I should stop the DECA 2 weeks before the Test E, then wait 21 days to start PCT.

 

[12ky12]

Armidex would be fine as a ai, get a better cycle support such as n2gaurd or cycle assist, also if u decide to do deca u will need cabergoline, equipose might be a better option as it gives less water and more keepable gains

 

[Micklos]

Armidex would be fine as a ai, get a better cycle support such as n2gaurd or cycle assist, also if u decide to do deca u will need cabergoline, equipose might be a better option as it gives less water and more keepable gains

Might as well add the DECA next cycle, since I already have some. I dunno how much arimidex I'll have left by then, but it's not hugely expensive, and I have plenty of time to plan the next one. Gotta get this one done first. I migt even wait till next year for the next, rather than try to squeeze one in the middle somewhere. Never heard of cabergoline, so I'll hit Google on that. Same goes for N2Guard and Cycle Assist.

 

[Mad- scientist]

You need to find a place to get blood tests done first off. It sounds like a pain in the ass and it is. But steroids can cause lasting side effects that
you can never get rid of some times. And blood work is the number one way to catch any problem before it starts. If your going to use steroids
you are going to need to find a place to get your blood work tested. its best to wait about 6 weeks and then get your estrogen levels tested to see if your dosing your arimidex right. Also you can have your testosterone checked so you can see if your stuff is under dosed or not. Also you want to make sure your liver enzymes and cholesterol are ok before you start your next cycle after running D-bol.

And I imagine if your not getting your blood tested you are also not giving blood or getting a therapeutic blood withdrawal to lower your HCT count around mid cycle. Which is very important.

Also man if I could go back and change one thing about doing steroids it would be about how much I increased each cycle. I would go back and take the bare minimum. The reason why is your body slowly adapts to all of the hormones over time. Increasing the cycles each time is not always necessary. I would recommend just using the deca and the testosterone and cutting out the D-bol. You will probably have a better look with out the d bol anyways it will cause a lot of bloating. Deca is a powerful steroid I would encourage you to consider using just the test and deca instad of the test deca and dbol. Then maybe next cycle add in the d-bol.

If your not on top of your estrogen with blood monitoring and you throw in deca with two highly estrogenic substances like testosterone and d-bol it could be a pretty good recipe for some shitty side effects. High estrogen and high prolactin equals a shitty cycle with side effect. And only way to know if its high is blood tests.

 

[Micklos]

Yeah, the blood wagon is in town a lot lately. I saw it the other day and it reminded me. I'll pop in soon. I'm about mid cycle. The bloodwork is the problem. Everyone posts links to places, but I check them and they are all in the US. Google hasn't been much help, as the nearest place I found is the other side of the country (It's not a very big country).
I was under the assumption that I could pay for tests to be done, and then get the blood drawn at my local surgery and have it sent away, but I fear I'm being too logical. I'll ask the guy at the needle exchange, but I don't think anyone else who goes to mine is using it for steroids. The guys who walk through, pretending to be just using the place as a shortcut until nobody is watching are all about 80 pounds soaking wet.
The Dbol isn't essential. I used it on this cycle and had no trouble and made better gains while on it, but it's not necessary.
I'll hit Google about the blood work again and see if I can approach it from a different angle. It took me ages to find a needle exchange, even though there are two less than 5 minutes walk away. I think I expect too much logic of my search engine!