second cycle advice needed

[aurelian087]

Hi, my first cycle was test e 500 mg for 14 weeks and 40 mg dbol for the first 4 weeks my weight was 82 kg and now i'm 95 kg so i gained 28 lbs
Currently on pct but i want to know how my next one would be. I am thinking to add deca and drop the dbol.
Would 500mg test e for 14 weeks and 400mg deca for 12 weeks be ok? Or any other ideeas, also thinking just to do test e 750 mg for 14 weeks, in this case witch one is better?

 

[tbonexl]

Did you use an ai during cycle?

 

[somatropius]

Using the same prep (test e) two cycles straight is not very good idea. and test solo is not the best choice to gain muscles. It works great for strength (test solo is effective PL cycle) but to bulk it is better to take deca and tbol for example.

How the pct goes? What do you use?

 

[3J]

time on + pct = time off

what was your diet like on cycle?

 

[oldmusclemike]

Did you use an ai during cycle?

This ??? if not you need to. Read up on this.

Using the same prep (test e) two cycles straight is not very good idea. and test solo is not the best choice to gain muscles. It works great for strength (test solo is effective PL cycle) but to bulk it is better to take deca and tbol for example.

How the pct goes? What do you use?

Nothing wrong with Test to build LMM. Diet is the key as well as your training technique. I have build nice LMM on test alone. Deca has the tendency to retain water as well and more tbol. tbol like dbol will help strength. You didn't need anything but test your first cycle. As 3j said time on + pct = time off this is also important especially when your body is not accustomed to exogenous hormones.

Remember 28 lbs is a lot water weight not lean muscle. Try to hold on to the gains with diet and consistency of training when time off.
Good luck

 

[tbonexl]

Using the same prep (test e) two cycles straight is not very good idea. and test solo is not the best choice to gain muscles. It works great for strength (test solo is effective PL cycle) but to bulk it is better to take deca and tbol for example.

How the pct goes? What do you use?

Can you please elaborate more on why using test e only in consecutive cycles is not a good idea? I'm curious to know...

 

[Megatron28]

Using the same prep (test e) two cycles straight is not very good idea. and test solo is not the best choice to gain muscles. It works great for strength (test solo is effective PL cycle) but to bulk it is better to take deca and tbol for example.

How the pct goes? What do you use?

Yes, please elaborate and post evidence you may have for this statement. I would like to understand this better.

 

[somatropius]

Yes, please elaborate and post evidence you may have for this statement. I would like to understand this better.

SHBG is the reason. During the test cycle, more than on other steroid, SHBG increases and bind free testosteron (that is why steroid plato exists). Free testosteron is anabolic active and gain muscles . The longer cycle is, the higher SHBG (it is visible on TRT and long cycles). It is organism reaction to high testosterone. On pct preparats like proviron can decrease it. But in some cases, SHBG doesnt return to normal level even after pct. You can find this problem on forums, like this www.******************************

Some steroids as dbol and tbol does not bind so much by SHBG and some like winstrol even decrease SHBG,
Second cycle of test only after short pause will not be so effective because of the high level of SHBG, that binds anabolic active free test. It is better to use steroids with high anabolic index or combination with them or with winstrol, but not test only.

 

[somatropius]

Can you please elaborate more on why using test e only in consecutive cycles is not a good idea? I'm curious to know...

I tried to explain. You can read the answer.

 

[Megatron28]

SHBG is the reason. During the test cycle, more than on other steroid, SHBG increases and bind free testosteron (that is why steroid plato exists). Free testosteron is anabolic active and gain muscles . The longer cycle is, the higher SHBG (it is visible on TRT and long cycles). It is organism reaction to high testosterone. On pct preparats like proviron can decrease it. But in some cases, SHBG doesnt return to normal level even after pct. You can find this problem on forums, like this www.******************************

Some steroids as dbol and tbol does not bind so much by SHBG and some like winstrol even decrease SHBG,
Second cycle of test only after short pause will not be so effective because of the high level of SHBG, that binds anabolic active free test. It is better to use steroids with high anabolic index or combination with them or with winstrol, but not test only.

You actually have this backwards. There are studies showing a clear relationship between higher Testosterone levels and lower SHBG. See the following.

AJPENDO : Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab



Full Study:

http://m.ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full.pdf

 

[Mountain-Man]

I like test and deca cycle the problem is the length of the cycle deca takes 5-6 weeks to kick in most guys are over half way threw there cycle by then for me deca is a 20'week cycle and hard as hell to recover from because deca shuts u down so hard a better choice would be test e and npp for te to twelve weeks my freind