Serious sides finally. Do I have to abandon cycle? Really need some advice.

[gtower]

I really really dont want to stop my cycle and want opinions on what the cause could be and what to do.
8 weeks left and gains are excellent.

600/800 deca/test per week, 1mg Adex EOD. I have been on an off this exact dose for the last two years with no problems.

About a month ago I started getting panic attacks, and general anxiety most of the time. I have seen my doc and was prescribed Ativan for attacks ( mostly at night ) and went again and was prescribed a fairly strong anti-anxiety to take all the time. I had to stop the daily one because it made me so out of it.

I am also getting major hot flashes at night if that could indicate an issue?

I am trying to figure out if my cycle could be the cause of this? I have been on this lots for the last two years and NO issues like this.
I did change UGL around 5 or so weeks ago, but to a very reputable one, so I dont know if that could be related. I wont name what UGL, but they are rated number one on all the boards I would say and trusted overall.

Maybe the new UGL is over dosed and I have just hit my threshold for test or deca?
Maybe lower the dose?
Maybe its not related?

Seriously want to continue this cycle for another month or 6 weeks till summer then be done. Hoping people here have some advice on what to try or what it could be. I know people here know what I mean when I say I dont want to go off cycle. I have worked very hard to get where I am and dont want to de-rail it if I can avoid it.

Anyone else ever had anxiety come on like this from test/deca?

Thanks all for the advice.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Lower your doses for two weeks and see it that helps. Just because your body took this before doen't necessarily mean it isn't tire of it and is producing sides

Most importantly get your labs done. I'll bet you E2 is high. I'm bi-polar and (not a doc) but I believe you problem is temp. I would not continue the Anti-anxiety meds. You are embarking on another world and if you have no history, well check labs and lower doe.

Some of the High Estrogen Side Effects
The side effects of high Estrogen are not limited to only Gynecomastia. There is a host of other side effects that a person should be aware of and so this is why an AI should be run from the beginning of a cycle until the startup of PCT.
Gynecomastia
Anxiety & panic attacks
Depression Erectile dysfunction
Water retention
High blood pressure
Loss of balance/instability/dizziness
Respiratory related concerns
Irritability Low libido
Insomnia
Prostate related issues
Bitchiness and mood swings

 

[gtower]

I cant get labs done due to where I live. No access to blood work. Crappy yes, so that makes some of this harder. You are right though, I would love to know the levels for E2 and test etc...

I would have thoughts 1mg of Adex EOD would be enough. I was on .5, but got some minor gyno, so I upped to 1mg and that seemed to fix that. Maybe I should up that a bit? 1mg EOD is a fair bit from what I have read though.

Your advice for lowering the dose is good I think. Maybe lower by 1/3 and see. From the half life of deca and test-e, I should be a a new steady level in around a week I would think? Thoughts on that?

Thanks for the help!

Lower your doses for two weeks and see it that helps. Just because your body took this before doen't necessarily mean it isn't tire of it and is producing sides

Most importantly get your labs done. I'll bet you E2 is high. I'm bi-polar and (not a doc) but I believe you problem is temp. I would not continue the Anti-anxiety meds. You are embarking on another world and if you have no history, well check labs and lower doe.

Some of the High Estrogen Side Effects
The side effects of high Estrogen are not limited to only Gynecomastia. There is a host of other side effects that a person should be aware of and so this is why an AI should be run from the beginning of a cycle until the startup of PCT.
Gynecomastia
Anxiety & panic attacks
Depression Erectile dysfunction
Water retention
High blood pressure
Loss of balance/instability/dizziness
Respiratory related concerns
Irritability Low libido
Insomnia
Prostate related issues
Bitchiness and mood swings

 

[oldmusclemike]

I cant get labs done due to where I live. No access to blood work. Crappy yes, so that makes some of this harder. You are right though, I would love to know the levels for E2 and test etc...

I would have thoughts 1mg of Adex EOD would be enough. I was on .5, but got some minor gyno, so I upped to 1mg and that seemed to fix that. Maybe I should up that a bit? 1mg EOD is a fair bit from what I have read though.

Your advice for lowering the dose is good I think. Maybe lower by 1/3 and see. From the half life of deca and test-e, I should be a a new steady level in around a week I would think? Thoughts on that?

Thanks for the help!

Try it but I don't know without labs. But be real, real careful w/ Ativan and the other. These meds will catch you by the balls. I'm an old junkie... Years ago

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Poor sex drive
Fatigue
Lethargy
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Depression
Poor sense of wellbeing & poor quality of life
Erectile dysfunction

 

[kataklysum]

I would have thoughts 1mg of Adex EOD would be enough. I was on .5, but got some minor gyno, so I upped to 1mg and that seemed to fix that. Maybe I should up that a bit? 1mg EOD is a fair bit from what I have read though.

im thinking the hot flashes are from your E2 being too LOW!. did you notice them when you were on 0.5 adex eod? the reason i ask is because im on test and tren. everything was fine until i upped my dose of letro to knock out a little tender titty. and once my estro was down the traps thats when i started getting the night sweats. i backed off my dose to the usual and i havent had the sweats since.

so maybe try back of the adex?

 

[gtower]

Good point as well.

I think I am going to go 500/400 test/deca per week and .5 adex and see how that goes.

How long till your bidy sees the drop in dose do you think?

im thinking the hot flashes are from your E2 being too LOW!. did you notice them when you were on 0.5 adex eod? the reason i ask is because im on test and tren. everything was fine until i upped my dose of letro to knock out a little tender titty. and once my estro was down the traps thats when i started getting the night sweats. i backed off my dose to the usual and i havent had the sweats since.

so maybe try back of the adex?

 

[Pacific Rim]

Beside lorazepam what did your doctor prescribe you?

 

[RR88]

Hey G , big time sufferer of anxiety so I can appreciate. Don't rely on benzos, trust me. Emergency absolutely. Knowing they are there can help a lot as well. Lemon balm,valerian,chamomile and many more herbal remedies help a lot. Also my gut tells me estro as well so forget this "I can't get labs done". There are other options for labs. Get your blood done. It's a must. Good luck. PM me if you need any advice with anxiety. When it comes to that subject I know a lot.

 

[Manticore1]

What about prolactine sides? Arimidex would not alleviate this. DECA being a 19nor test and all.

 

[Southernfish]

I would almost bet, and without a blood work reference, thats all itll be. But i bet youve obliterated your E2 to nothing. .5 EOD is even high. Even at 1g of Test a week I only run .25 E3D.

The cause of anxiety is almost impossible to pinpoint. Certain life events or certain scenarios can trigger it with you you even being aware of it. Its not always a chemical imbalance. But, low E2 or very high E2 can cause weird side effects such as anxiety.

Anything and everything can cause anxiety, hell, i cant even take certain pre workout drinks anymore, as i almost go into a full blown panic attack after my workout is done.

 

[traps09]

^^^^ That. 1mg of Adex is way too much.

 

[gtower]

Thanks all for the advice.
Just to update......

I dropped my doses to 400/500 deca/test per week. Adex at .5 m/w/f. Dropped all stimulants of any kind ( caffeine, pre work out etc... ) and any excess of alcohol.
That helped allot within about a week or so. Also, saw the doc and am on a different anti-anxiety that has way less side effects for me so far. That wont kick in for a few weeks, but I am doing much better.

I would never have thought I could have gotten that fucked up from what ever did it. High E2, Low E2, too much test/deca, who knows.
Finally ran into a side that made AAS not worth it for sure. At high doses anyway. Good where I am now.

Probably the only part people will say is bad is that I was prescribed and take Klonopin at night. Lets me sleep with no attacks. I will get off that soon too.

Again, thanks for the advice all. The comment to reduce dose and try it was spot on.

 

[Mad- scientist]

Cant your doctor give you blood tests and you just tell him your taking a pro hormone or something like that. Also if you take klonopin to go to sleep every night for even just like 5 days it will be hard to go to sleep normally with out it when you stop. Are you taking caber or prami at all either. Are you taking anything to control prolactin that could easily be a contributing factor. When you take steroids with out access to blood tests eventually something will go wrong and you will need blood tests to figure out what is causing it. So I would get on top of that and figure something out.

 

[Mad- scientist]

also it might be smart to see if any of the drugs your doctor prescribes to you can cause side effects when mixed with other medications you could be taking like armidex or prami or caber.

 

[Fist]

Great info guy!