so friggin frustrated!

[big7man]

I finished my 600mg week, 13 week sustanon cycle 2 weeks ago and was ready to start clomid next week (3 weeks after last inj)..ran Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) weeks 6-14 @ 500ui week..not sure how much it help with the nuts atrophy though,as they did shrink a little.. After reading more and more posts and info..I have decided to go with Nolva instead...Then I read Anthony Robert's article about using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after and starting the Nolvadex RIGHT after the cycle and NOT waiting the 3 weeks for the test clear before starting post cycle therapy (pct) (NOLVA)..Then I read more and am debating now to go with what Nelson's products are...Unleashed and Post cycle..

I always ran just clomid in the past and it seemed ok, I guess...nothing really to compare it to. So now I am sitting here with clomid and nolvadex and wondering if I should get some of the unleashed and post cycle stuff?...

WTF!... seems like everyone has THE way to do post cycle therapy (pct) and I am stressing what I should do.. I want to keep as much as I can..

seems to be almost unanimous that clomid does nothing and make everyone feel like crap...please give me your 2 cents bros...I am streesing and don't need the cortisol to be higher than it already is... thanks...

 

[ezred]

i hear good things about torem. i'll be implementing that in a couple of weeks.

 

[big7man]

i hear good things about torem. i'll be implementing that in a couple of weeks.

let me know how that goes...but...I need to figure out what I am going to do NOW..I finished sus 2 weeks ago, so if I were follow typical protocol, next weekend (3 weeks after last shot), I was going to start clomid...ah no, now nolvadex.. and now debating whether to get the unleashed and post cycle stuff...also..why would Roberts say to start nolva immediately and bnot wait for esters to clear?.. should i start taking nolva NOW if that is what I am gonna run for post cycle therapy (pct)? thanks for everyones input here..

 

[ezred]

let me know how that goes...but...I need to figure out what I am going to do NOW..I finished sus 2 weeks ago, so if I were follow typical protocol, next weekend (3 weeks after last shot), I was going to start clomid...ah no, now nolvadex.. and now debating whether to get the unleashed and post cycle stuff...also..why would Roberts say to start nolva immediately and bnot wait for esters to clear?.. should i start taking nolva NOW if that is what I am gonna run for post cycle therapy (pct)? thanks for everyones input here..

order now it could be on your door within the next week. not definite, but could be.

no one is going to be able to tell you 100% what the best route for you is.

there is a reason why different people have different preferences. everyone's body is not the same. things that work for some don't work as well for others. unfortunately this is something you're going to have to figure out for yourself.

personally, i would run just the clomid probably, and at a normal dose, 50mg a day.... the whole time. but that's me.if you can start recovering your test a little bit, it actually takes a while to lose muscle. people think when you go catabolic you can lose your gains immediately that isn't necessarily accurate, it takes time for your muscles to break down. if you can get even low range test levels back relatively quickly your keeps will be determined by how well you eat and train to preserve the muscle, and of course by how muscular you are overall.

pick one and go. i wouldn't do nolva only, but that's me.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Ez got it. Your atrophy is the same thing I dealt with on my current cycle....next cycle bump it up to 500iu 2x a week and see if that helps...thats what my plan is...500 was just not enough for me so next cycle is 750iu.....

 

[UserAt204]

Anthony Roberts is a fat douche bag. Don't listen to him. They guy sounds really intelligent but he's an idiot.

 

[ezred]

i dunno why, but i'm kinda glad that i have no fuck'n clue who anthony roberts is. i know who tony robbins is though....?

 

[DADAWG]

run the hcg / nolva right after last inject if you want but i HIGHLY reccomend starting 3-4 weeks of clomid 3 weeks after the last injection.

 

[big7man]

run the hcg / nolva right after last inject if you want but i HIGHLY reccomend starting 3-4 weeks of clomid 3 weeks after the last injection.

thanks everyone.. It seems like everyone is so down on clomid as pct (everything i was reading-opinions) and going to nolva now..I appreciate the input..thanks DADAWG, i know you are well respected here and I appreciate you taking the time to chime in!

One last?.. I guess I will go with the clomid based on what I am hearing ...Should I run the Nolva (start now) and run it in conjunction with clomid (when i start it next Sat)? I am 2 weeks since my last shot of sus, so starting clomid next week... I did run aromasin only a bit earlier in the cycle as I was having some sensitivity, but didn't continue it throughout, as it subsided.. I still have aromasin on hand..

so start Nolva now and add clomid next week (21 days from last sus shot) or just wasit and run the clomid alone.. Thanks again.

I welcome more feedbck and opinions...

went from 187lbs- 6.5% bf to 220lbs- 9-10% bf..

 

[UserAt204]

Nolva and clomid together are a good combo if you have both run both together. If there was another reason for running it before clomid, I didn't read whole thread, then I don't know but if you have both they work well together for your pct

 

[DADAWG]

nothing wrong with starting nolva now if you want. some run 20-40 mg of nolva along with 50 mg of clomid every day during pct.

 

[big7man]

nothing wrong with starting nolva now if you want. some run 20-40 mg of nolva along with 50 mg of clomid every day during pct.

This is what I found (recommended) for running Nolva and clomid.. Is it beneficial to have that big dose day one of clomid?? I know when running just clomid, the old school was 300mg day one, 100mg next 10 days and 50 last 10 days.. Thanks


Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

 

[ezred]

you don't need to do a day of 300mg of clomid. just run 50mg a day the whole time. you'll be fine.

 

[RJ]

the internet is chock full of bullshit, as well as 10000000 different ways to do the same thing. Some work, most don't. Key is to make a plan and go for it.

Everyone is different. The choice you make may not always be right. part of the game.