Sole Test-P Blast on TRT - Feedback

[earthfall]

I have been on prescribed trt for over two years now injecting 200mg test cyp eow. I do not have the option to split this up ew, but so far it has worked well enough with no noticeable ups or downs. I have never done a cycle before (unless you consider my trt a cycle), but am now considering doing a 13 wk blast of transdermal test prop while remaining on the prescribed dose of intramuscular test cyp. I know that the intramuscular injection is highly recommended over transdermal administration, but for this first cycle it is not an option for the test prop. Also, I would prefer to use only test on this cycle and not stack other compounds.

I am currently planning the following blast:

wk 1-12 test-C 200mg/eow (intramuscular)
wk 1-13 test-P 150mg/eod (transdermal)

Obviously, I will continue the test cyp on wk 14 and beyond, and I am not planning on pct. This is roughly 550mg - 700mg (assuming 100% absorbtion from the transdermal test prop) of test ew for 13 wks. Is this a reasonable first cycle while on trt? Is this too much test or not enough? Is the test prop cycle too long? I do not have recent labs, but will request some before the cycle. I appreciate the feedback.

 

[halfwit]

An esterfied transdermal? That doesn't make any sense to me at all... I can't say I'd put a lot of faith in this gear as propionate has a half-life longer than the transdermal application would even be active - meaning you would see WAY less hormone than what's being advertised. I'm not infallible by any stretch of the imagination, but I have a feeling that either you're mistaken in that it's propionate, or someone is taking advantage of you.

Do you currently use an AI with your TRT? If not, you will likely need one for a blast at higher levels. Also, I find that you're not able to change your injection frequency disturbing. Is this because you have to go in to have a nurse do the procedure for you? I would definitely look into changing that, as your TRT protocol could be vastly improved - as you're dipping down pretty low before your next injection.

I can't imagine how much gel/cream this is going to take lol. Most transdermals are under 2% testosterone by volume, so I think you're in for a messy ride to say the least.

My .02c

 

[earthfall]

Thanks for the response. I may just be misinformed. I was looking at a homebrew for test-p from synovex and was planning on using it as a transdermal to make sure that I do not get an abcess or accidentally inject impurities into my muscle (at least for this first cycle). I may just need to use freebase test and not combine it with an ester if I go the transdermal route.

I currently do not use an AI. What would you consider a high level of test for a blast?

I inject myself, but I am only given two disposable vials at a time from the pharmacy. I assume that once these are opened there is a major risk of contamination if I let the rest sit in the vial or in an empty syringe. I am also not too comfortable with relocating half of the test cyp into a new container without losing the sterile environment.

 

[halfwit]

Thanks for the response. I may just be misinformed. I was looking at a homebrew for test-p from synovex and was planning on using it as a transdermal to make sure that I do not get an abcess or accidentally inject impurities into my muscle (at least for this first cycle). I may just need to use freebase test and not combine it with an ester if I go the transdermal route.

I currently do not use an AI. What would you consider a high level of test for a blast?

I inject myself, but I am only given two disposable vials at a time from the pharmacy. I assume that once these are opened there is a major risk of contamination if I let the rest sit in the vial or in an empty syringe. I am also not too comfortable with relocating half of the test cyp into a new container without losing the sterile environment.

Yeah, transdermals have a poor absorption rate for most, and trying to do it yourself is going to be an expensive lesson as it takes an enormous amount of raw hormone to translate to actual blood serum values. I don't remember the exact efficacy, but it's very VERY low.

On to your major concern: injectables are filtered with a very small system that allows the carrier and hormone to pass through, but blocks bacteria and viruses as they are larger in size. This is the first pass method in sterilization, and then a mix of benzyl benzoate and benzyl alcohol are added. These serve as a solvent, and a preservation of sterility. I am glad that you're at least able to inject yourself, but I do feel that your fear of infectious hormones is a little bit on the irrational (granted, better safe than sorry) as it's quite difficult to get an infection if proper injection technique is employed.

You can always load syringes if keeping the testosterone in the vial is still unbearable to you. Some carrier solutions will dissolve stoppers in syringes, but this should not be an issue with pharmacy grade testosterone. I use 10ml multi-use vials, and have been for over five years without any issue. The switch to 1ml vials is actually due to a recommendation from the FDA, which many feel is to gain additional money from a market that's not as profitable as gels/creams/pellets. Sterility is not a concern, and the FDA report makes sure to emphasize this.

Sorry for the side track there.

I would honestly just pick up more testosterone enanthate/cypionate and increase your injections to 500mg a week. This will give you a good understanding as to how you fare on a higher dose of androgens, and still has easily controlled side effects. A high blast for me is not reasonable for you yet. (I've gone almost as high as 3g of test, with others - not something I would recommend)

As testosterone goes up, so will your estradiol. I'm surprised that this isn't an issue for you on TRT, but you may just be lucky. Your doctor does pull labs for estradiol, right? Aromatase inhibitors prevent such a large conversion of testosterone to estradiol, keeping you boobie free, among other nasty surprises. At the top of this forum is an FAQ thread that will explain all of the basics, and answer most of your remaining questions. Of course, please feel free to ask any specifics that you're unclear on.

 

[earthfall]

I do not have a source and my life is too stable to risk ordering something illegal online, so my options are limited to synovex or component th (or something else I dont know about). I have read that tren is too much for a first cycle and rather hard on the body, so I have been looking into synovex. If I can homebrew test cyp confidentally, I am open to injection, but I would have to figure out how to obtain an ester and combine it with the base. I am not confident in my homebrew ability, but it sounds like transdermal is completely out of the question?

I will look into loading syringes. How sure are you that the stopper wont dissolve in the syringe? That by itself is rather unsettling.

My endo doesnt pull labs for anything (except for when I first arrived there and even then only total test). I have looked into doing labs myself, but the major clinics near me will only do labs with a script. I had a family doc that would do labs for anything, but moved, sadly.

If I did use an AI it would have to be an rc correct? I assume any pharm grade AI is illegal now.

 

[luckypaul]

Inject IM and use test e or cyp. Start at 500mg ew.

You will see nice gains. Enjoy brother. Check diet and training, so you can see the results you are looking for.

 

[earthfall]

I did some more research on synovex conversion and I may only be able to get to freebase test (transdermal) or test-p. Combining a different ester to the test produced from synovex may require a level of chemistry and equipment way above me. Should I stick with one of these options or look into tren (component th)? Is a transdermal application of tren worthless as well?

Also, halfwit, where do you get your syringes? Pharmacies near me will only give me the amount that my prescription is for. So, if I want more, I have to visit multiple pharmacies or come back multiple times with an explantion. I prefer using an 18/25 1.5" replacable tip, but recently have only been able to get 1".

 

[KW1776]

I did some more research on synovex conversion and I may only be able to get to freebase test (transdermal) or test-p. Combining a different ester to the test produced from synovex may require a level of chemistry and equipment way above me. Should I stick with one of these options or look into tren (component th)? Is a transdermal application of tren worthless as well?

Also, halfwit, where do you get your syringes? Pharmacies near me will only give me the amount that my prescription is for. So, if I want more, I have to visit multiple pharmacies or come back multiple times with an explantion. I prefer using an 18/25 1.5" replacable tip, but recently have only been able to get 1".

There are plenty of places online where you can buy various sizes of syringes and needles without a prescription. Just do some googling.

 

[earthfall]

Thanks. It actually looks like syringes are everywhere online.

 

[halfwit]

Thanks. It actually looks like syringes are everywhere online.

I haven't looked in awhile, but the lion at the top of your screen is where I used to get syringes before my CVS asked me if I'd like a couple hundred for dirt cheap.

You seem pretty stuck on wanting to brew your own hormones. If so, I'd look for a supplier that actually carries enanthate or cypionate. I do NOT recommend tren at all for your first time cycling - transdermal would be a huge waste there too.

 

[earthfall]

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[earthfall]

You seem pretty stuck on wanting to brew your own hormones. If so, I'd look for a supplier that actually carries enanthate or cypionate. I do NOT recommend tren at all for your first time cycling - transdermal would be a huge waste there too.

Is test prop not a good option, even intramuscular? I am not sure I am capable of adding cypionate or enanthate to a free test base. It looks like this process requires knowledge of advanced chemistry and expensive equipment.

 

[earthfall]

You seem pretty stuck on wanting to brew your own hormones.

Also, I would be open to using a premade batch or a pharma vial. I just currently dont have that option. Thanks again for all of the advice.

 

[earthfall]

So, if I did a test-p only cycle (intramuscular) it would look like this:

wk 1-12 test-C 100mg/ew (intramuscular)
wk 1-12 test-P 100mg/eod (intramuscular)
= total test 400-500mg/ ew

Obviously, I will continue the test cyp on wk 13 and beyond, and I am not planning on pct. Is this a reasonable first cycle while on trt? Is this enough test? Is the test-p cycle too short or too long? I once again appreciate the feedback.

 

[halfwit]

Is test prop not a good option, even intramuscular? I am not sure I am capable of adding cypionate or enanthate to a free test base. It looks like this process requires knowledge of advanced chemistry and expensive equipment.

I see what you're doing, and I do understand the limitations present with converting kits. I wouldn't personally recommend prop as it tends to have a significant amount of bite to it, but it's much better than trying to make a transdermal. Just be aware of how you may experience a significant amount of PIP from it.

So, if I did a test-p only cycle (intramuscular) it would look like this:

wk 1-12 test-C 100mg/ew (intramuscular)
wk 1-12 test-P 100mg/eod (intramuscular)
= total test 400-500mg/ ew

Obviously, I will continue the test cyp on wk 13 and beyond, and I am not planning on pct. Is this a reasonable first cycle while on trt? Is this enough test? Is the test-p cycle too short or too long? I once again appreciate the feedback.

Yes, that is a feasible cycle. Just don't forget the AI, you will need one. You're also correct in that a PCT is not needed.

 

[earthfall]

It looks like I can grab arimidex here. So, the cycle would be:

wk 1-12 test-C 100mg/ew (intramuscular)
wk 1-12 test-P 100mg/eod (intramuscular)
wk 1-13 arimidex .25mg/ed (oral)
= total test 400-500mg/ ew

Is this AI strong enough? Is the amount (mg) enough or too much? Is the length of time too long or short? Also would I be better off doing a pyramid with the test-P and AI or should I leave the initial and ending spike.

And, I should be able to handle the bite (assuming I dont mentally take the pain as a badly made batch).

 

[halfwit]

It looks like I can grab arimidex here. So, the cycle would be:

wk 1-12 test-C 100mg/ew (intramuscular)
wk 1-12 test-P 100mg/eod (intramuscular)
wk 1-13 arimidex .25mg/ed (oral)
= total test 400-500mg/ ew

Is this AI strong enough? Is the amount (mg) enough or too much? Is the length of time too long or short? Also would I be better off doing a pyramid with the test-P and AI or should I leave the initial and ending spike.

And, I should be able to handle the bite (assuming I dont mentally take the pain as a badly made batch).

Switch that to EOD, and the adex dose should be sufficient. There's no need to titrate doses of AAS down; the mechanism in which the esters work with half-lives does it for you.

I also suggest a 50 dollar private blood test before and four weeks into the cycle to make sure everything is dialed in properly.

 

[earthfall]

Alright, thanks. Should I stop the AI at 12 wks with the prop or run it out another week (13 wks)?

Where do you get your labs? I think the Quest near me won't do it without a script.

 

[halfwit]

Alright, thanks. Should I stop the AI at 12 wks with the prop or run it out another week (13 wks)?

Where do you get your labs? I think the Quest near me won't do it without a script.

You order the script online.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

Everything you need is located in the link above.

The answer to your AI question depends on how much you aromatize on TRT. I know you've been going without one, but it's in your best interests to see if your protocol is keeping it within range. If you get the blood test prior to your cycle, and find that your estradiol is elevated, you would simply drop the dose of AI afterwards to manage your TRT levels - if your estradiol looks fine, then cease it a week after you finish the prop.

 

[earthfall]

You order the script online.

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

Everything you need is located in the link above.

The answer to your AI question depends on how much you aromatize on TRT. I know you've been going without one, but it's in your best interests to see if your protocol is keeping it within range. If you get the blood test prior to your cycle, and find that your estradiol is elevated, you would simply drop the dose of AI afterwards to manage your TRT levels - if your estradiol looks fine, then cease it a week after you finish the prop.

Awesome thanks. I will check out the link and order a script online.