starting a cut with anavar ?

[samjones1]

ive got my 50mg anavar tablets made by 'Anabolic Muscle Labs' (heard of them ? any good ?)

never used the old 'anavar' before so don't know whether to just add it in my cycle starting on the first day with 50mg ? or 25mg for the first 2 days and then bump it up to 50mg and carry on 50mg till the end of the cycle ? what do you guys normally start with ? and end with ?

thanks.

 

[samjones1]

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[samjones1]

Help me

 

[samjones1]

?????

 

[imdennis]

not sure if you're planning on including test or not..., 50mg tabs of anavar are alot.... they normally come in 10's/20's, never seen 50's

 

[halfwit]

As dennis mentioned, I hope you're running a test base with anavar. There's no need to pyramid it up and 50mg a day is fine, although it would be best if you could split it up into two doses 8 hours apart. I wouldn't go longer than 6-8 weeks though.

 

[samjones1]

not sure if you're planning on including test or not..., 50mg tabs of anavar are alot.... they normally come in 10's/20's, never seen 50's

that's what I thought but there from a lab called 'anabolic muscle labs' 50mg tablets

 

[abusedyam]

never heard of that lab... got any pics of it?
and I also really hope you are planning to run some test with that var

 

[samjones1]

never heard of that lab... got any pics of it?
and I also really hope you are planning to run some test with that var

don't worry haha...... also everyone needs to calm down with this "you have to run test" I know 5 friends who ran Anavar (var) on its own and there own and there fine hahaha ,ive even spoke to pro bodybuilders and theyeve say "nah don't worry about it you will be fine"

the only reason half of you people say run test is because you see others say it,so you follow the crowd to make it look like you have knowledge.

 

[imdennis]

don't worry haha...... also everyone needs to calm down with this "you have to run test" I know 5 friends who ran Anavar (var) on its own and there own and there fine hahaha ,ive even spoke to pro bodybuilders and theyeve say "nah don't worry about it you will be fine"

the only reason half of you people say run test is because you see others say it,so you follow the crowd to make it look like you have knowledge.

no.... the reason why people say run test is because Anavar (var) shuts you down..... the reason why everyone says you'll be fine is because it doesn't shut you down as hard and it's very mild....... if you run Anavar (var) you won't have little to no test in your body.... also if 5 of your friends did cocaine and were okay, does this mean you'll be okay too?

 

[halfwit]

don't worry haha...... also everyone needs to calm down with this "you have to run test" I know 5 friends who ran Anavar (var) on its own and there own and there fine hahaha ,ive even spoke to pro bodybuilders and theyeve say "nah don't worry about it you will be fine"

the only reason half of you people say run test is because you see others say it,so you follow the crowd to make it look like you have knowledge.

So we have another person coming to the boards with a question, sees what they don't like, then decides to tell everyone that they're wrong. You guys are priceless man.

AAS suppresses your HPTA, think of this as the engine that drives your giggle-berries and hump-stick. When you take AAS, your body says, "Hey, we don't need to make testosterone anymore now that we're seeing this sudden influx of androgens, YIPPEE!" Only problem with this is that when you're taking an oral by itself, you NEED that testosterone for normal function - and it's simply not there, or in vastly smaller quantities. This is why testosterone as a base for ALL cycles is a MUST as well as a properly thought out post cycle therapy (pct). I'm not going to waste our time with listing all the vital body functions that rely on testosterone as I'm sure you don't give a shit, but I assure you - you will miss them when they're not there.

Oh, and based on your awesome testimonial, does the fact that I drive home in excess of 15mph over the speed limit every day without getting a ticket or into an accident mean I should cancel my auto insurance? I'm obviously superman and the laws of physics don't apply to me since I've been able to get away with it for so long. In fact, I think everyone should just stop looking at their speedometers and throw caution to the wind because I say that the chances of getting into an accident are just made up by cops who want to scare you into following the rules. No way would I get a ticket either since the cops know that I am smarter than they are, so they have no choice to let me zip by on my way as they only would write a ticket because they're told to and want to make themselves look smarter than they really are.

SOUNDS LEGIT AMIRITE??

That's what I thought.

 

[imdennis]

So we have another person coming to the boards with a question, sees what they don't like, then decides to tell everyone that they're wrong. You guys are priceless man.

AAS suppresses your HPTA, think of this as the engine that drives your giggle-berries and hump-stick. When you take AAS, your body says, "Hey, we don't need to make testosterone anymore now that we're seeing this sudden influx of androgens, YIPPEE!" Only problem with this is that when you're taking an oral by itself, you NEED that testosterone for normal function - and it's simply not there, or in vastly smaller quantities. This is why testosterone as a base for ALL cycles is a MUST as well as a properly thought out post cycle therapy (pct). I'm not going to waste our time with listing all the vital body functions that rely on testosterone as I'm sure you don't give a shit, but I assure you - you will miss them when they're not there.

Oh, and based on your awesome testimonial, does the fact that I drive home in excess of 15mph over the speed limit every day without getting a ticket or into an accident mean I should cancel my auto insurance? I'm obviously superman and the laws of physics don't apply to me since I've been able to get away with it for so long. In fact, I think everyone should just stop looking at their speedometers and throw caution to the wind because I say that the chances of getting into an accident are just made up by cops who want to scare you into following the rules. No way would I get a ticket either since the cops know that I am smarter than they are, so they have no choice to let me zip by on my way as they only would write a ticket because they're told to and want to make themselves look smarter than they really are.

SOUNDS LEGIT AMIRITE??

That's what I thought.

 

[joe d]

var solo is fine in my book. i respectfully disagree with the "you always need a test base" statements. i think Anavar (var) alone is pretty weak but its been done plenty and it will work. 50-75mg ed from the start. split it into 2 doses.

 

[halfwit]

var solo is fine in my book. i respectfully disagree with the "you always need a test base" statements. i think Anavar (var) alone is pretty weak but its been done plenty and it will work. 50-75mg ed from the start. split it into 2 doses.

You're also the same guy telling folks that you've run 2g of tren ew without a dopamine agonist. No offense, but either you're a freak of human nature or you're trying to use blanket statements that just don't apply to the general public. Just because a steroid is weak doesn't mean it isn't suppressive. Be careful with what you recommend, you might get people hurt.

 

[joe d]

You're also the same guy telling folks that you've run 2g of tren ew without a dopamine agonist. No offense, but either you're a freak of human nature or you're trying to use blanket statements that just don't apply to the general public. Just because a steroid is weak doesn't mean it isn't suppressive. Be careful with what you recommend, you might get people hurt.

i did not have prolactin issues while on high levels of tren while keeping estro in line with ai's. many have the same experience as me. theres nothing freakish about it.

i am fully aware that Anavar (var) is suppressive. please tell me exactly how running Anavar (var) alone will hurt someone as apposed to running it with test.

 

[halfwit]

i did not have prolactin issues while on high levels of tren while keeping estro in line with ai's. many have the same experience as me. theres nothing freakish about it.

i am fully aware that Anavar (var) is suppressive. please tell me exactly how running Anavar (var) alone will hurt someone as apposed to running it with test.

Okay, so we can both agree that prolactin can raise independently from estradiol, right? This means that regardless of how much estrogen you have flowing in your bloodstream, your prolactin can rise along with progesterone (that's how the 19-nors do it) if stimulated by a drug such as trenbolone. Stating that taking 2 GRAMS of tren a week didn't give you any prolactin issues is something I've never heard of and I do hang with some of the bigger boys that have been in the game for over 20 years. Is it possible that you didn't suffer any problems? Sure, but you are definitely NOT in the norm in this regard. Telling folks that don't share your obviously blessed genetics that they don't need to worry about things like prolactin just creates a situation where they falsely believe it's okay to move on and potentially develop gyno/tren dick/etc.

So if you suppress your HPTA with anavar, effectively halting all production while on the drug, you create a situation that can affect a person mentally as testosterone is required for healthy brain function. Ever notice how guys get all depressed during post cycle therapy (pct)? Same thing here. Can someone get by on 6 weeks of anavar without testosterone and survive? Sure, but they are going to very likely be miserable and miss out on a HUGE part of the gains that they could potentially enjoy if they just had that missing hormone that had been shut down by the drug. Supplementing with test, even if at a replacement dose keeps everything working properly and really improves the gains as testosterone is required for proper genesis of new lean body mass and metabolic function. You have to run a post cycle therapy (pct) regardless, so would a person rather go through 10 weeks of low test or only a couple? I was referring to the prolactin comment with regards to hurting people, but I can imagine being suppressed for an extended period of time causing issues as seen in pre-TRT guys.

Don't take my word for it though, there's a GIANT sticky at the top of this very forum specifically written for this topic as this comes up so often.

 

[joe d]

Okay, so we can both agree that prolactin can raise independently from estradiol, right? of course This means that regardless of how much estrogen you have flowing in your bloodstream, your prolactin can rise along with progesterone (that's how the 19-nors do it) if stimulated by a drug such as trenbolone. Stating that taking 2 GRAMS of tren a week didn't give you any prolactin issues is something I've never heard of and I do hang with some of the bigger boys that have been in the game for over 20 years. Is it possible that you didn't suffer any problems? Sure, but you are definitely NOT in the norm in this regard. Telling folks that don't share your obviously blessed genetics that they don't need to worry about things like prolactin just creates a situation where they falsely believe it's okay to move on and potentially develop gyno/tren dick/etc. these are all possible issues that not everyone suffers. i dont suggest just blindly running cycle after cycle ignoring issues. i suggest giving it a shot and seeing what happens since it isnt dangerous (since we are aas users), it is easily reversible if you do have issues, and since many people do not notice any issues. i do understand that my doses where high in the end and that more people would have issues than not with these high doses but on a typical tren dose 300-say 700mg ew most would be fine.

So if you suppress your HPTA with anavar, effectively halting all production while on the drug, you create a situation that can affect a person mentally as testosterone is required for healthy brain function. Ever notice how guys get all depressed during post cycle therapy (pct)? Same thing here. no its not the same thing because you are on another hormone and many feel great on it alone. Can someone get by on 6 weeks of anavar without testosterone and survive? Sure, but they are going to very likely be miserable and miss out on a HUGE part of the gains that they could potentially enjoy if they just had that missing hormone that had been shut down by the drug. yes as far as gains are concerned adding test is better, a lot better. having primo or some tbol would also be better but that doesnt mean it has to be there. plenty of people have run Anavar (var) only, felt good throughout, made some progress on their goals, and had an easy recovery. Supplementing with test, even if at a replacement dose keeps everything working properly and really improves the gains as testosterone is required for proper genesis of new lean body mass and metabolic function. i dont think its absolutely required for all of that as its been proven by those who have strayed away from the norm and gave it a shot. You have to run a post cycle therapy (pct) regardless, so would a person rather go through 10 weeks of low test or only a couple? low test isnt always as bad as you think when other hormones are present. have you ever tried it? I was referring to the prolactin comment with regards to hurting people, but I can imagine being suppressed for an extended period of time causing issues as seen in pre-TRT guys. you cant compare issues of low test and nothing but other natural hormones to low test and running a dominant amount of another hormone that supports what is lost from the low test.

Don't take my word for it though, there's a GIANT sticky at the top of this very forum specifically written for this topic as this comes up so often.

^^^

 

[halfwit]

^^^

these are all possible issues that not everyone suffers. i dont suggest just blindly running cycle after cycle ignoring issues. i suggest giving it a shot and seeing what happens since it isnt dangerous (since we are aas users), it is easily reversible if you do have issues, and since many people do not notice any issues. i do understand that my doses where high in the end and that more people would have issues than not with these high doses but on a typical tren dose 300-say 700mg ew most would be fine.

I think we're getting off on the wrong foot here. You seem pretty knowledgeable but give too much credit to the average board reader. The problem is that the average board reader will hop on, ask advice and leave without question if it's anything like they're expecting to hear. This is where I think we as experienced users have to take an ethical approach and provide conservative advice. I am pretty sure the average person could handle FAR greater doses of the drugs than are recommended, but not only is more often not better - but I don't want to be the guy that recommends a 2.5g test cyp/1.2g mast E/1.2g tren E cycle to a guy and have him end up in the hospital. I totally agree that as a user of AAS we should all be able to responsibly handle our usage, but many need this spoon-fed to them.

Without trying to quote the red in from above I can tell you that I do have plenty of experience with low testosterone as I ran nearly a decade being shutdown as a primary hypogonadic male. I have experienced all the symptoms of low test and wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. I've run anavar several times and never felt better while I was on it, just noticed crazy pumps/strength gains/vacularity. In fact, the only hormone that I've taken that really altered my mood to date is tren, but that's more of an aggression/libido thing versus a sense of well-being that test provides. Like I said previously, I'm sure some may get away with running an oral only cycle - but it'll be a cold day in hell before I recommend it.

Let's just call it an agreement to disagree on the second item. I'm pretty sure we can agree that the first is a difference in viewpoint regarding the average person starting AAS.

 

[Docd187]

So we have another person coming to the boards with a question, sees what they don't like, then decides to tell everyone that they're wrong. You guys are priceless man.

AAS suppresses your HPTA, think of this as the engine that drives your giggle-berries and hump-stick. When you take AAS, your body says, "Hey, we don't need to make testosterone anymore now that we're seeing this sudden influx of androgens, YIPPEE!" Only problem with this is that when you're taking an oral by itself, you NEED that testosterone for normal function - and it's simply not there, or in vastly smaller quantities. This is why testosterone as a base for ALL cycles is a MUST as well as a properly thought out post cycle therapy (pct). I'm not going to waste our time with listing all the vital body functions that rely on testosterone as I'm sure you don't give a shit, but I assure you - you will miss them when they're not there.

Oh, and based on your awesome testimonial, does the fact that I drive home in excess of 15mph over the speed limit every day without getting a ticket or into an accident mean I should cancel my auto insurance? I'm obviously superman and the laws of physics don't apply to me since I've been able to get away with it for so long. In fact, I think everyone should just stop looking at their speedometers and throw caution to the wind because I say that the chances of getting into an accident are just made up by cops who want to scare you into following the rules. No way would I get a ticket either since the cops know that I am smarter than they are, so they have no choice to let me zip by on my way as they only would write a ticket because they're told to and want to make themselves look smarter than they really are.

SOUNDS LEGIT AMIRITE??

That's what I thought.

Halfwit, can you please ask your wife if she'd accept an older adopted son?! You always take the words out of my mouth in such an eloquent fashion.

OP, this is one of the best guys on here. He's not making a fucking dime when he takes time out of his day to give you his personal advice. You can here asking for advice on if the Anavar (var) was legit or not but it doesn't matter if you don't want to listen to the advice given along with it to use test as a base. If you know so many friends that ran Anavar (var) only cycles and are fine to ask them if your gear is good. Stop wasting our time when we're the ones trying to look out for YOUR health not just your gains. You talk about us following the crowd but who's following the crowd running a Anavar (var) only cycle? It's YOU! Who's following the crowd saying Anavar (var) only is good bc their friends said so? YOU! Halfwit if you pay attention is telling you the science behind why test should be used as a base, ignore his comments at your own risks but again if that's your chosen route stop wasting his and our time since you're getting this at the expense of us giving something up to take time and post the advice given

* edit: plus who the hell bumps their own post 3x in 2 days only to talk shit back to person trying to help you out

 

[halfwit]

Halfwit, can you please ask your wife if she'd accept an older adopted son?! You always take the words out of my mouth in such an eloquent fashion.

OP, this is one of the best guys on here. He's not making a fucking dime when he takes time out of his day to give you his personal advice. You can here asking for advice on if the Anavar (var) was legit or not but it doesn't matter if you don't want to listen to the advice given along with it to use test as a base. If you know so many friends that ran Anavar (var) only cycles and are fine to ask them if your gear is good. Stop wasting our time when we're the ones trying to look out for YOUR health not just your gains. You talk about us following the crowd but who's following the crowd running a Anavar (var) only cycle? It's YOU! Who's following the crowd saying Anavar (var) only is good bc their friends said so? YOU! Halfwit if you pay attention is telling you the science behind why test should be used as a base, ignore his comments at your own risks but again if that's your chosen route stop wasting his and our time since you're getting this at the expense of us giving something up to take time and post the advice given

* edit: plus who the hell bumps their own post 3x in 2 days only to talk shit back to person trying to help you out

Great minds think alike my friend. Lol, she's fighting with our three year old right now to get her to go to sleep, I don't think suggesting adopting another would get me laid tonight. Unless of course you happened to bring over a box of wine~