Steroid help Test400 Deca250

[Stephenz]

Hey guys I know this question has probably been asked a 1000 times on this forum and believe me I have read most of them but I think the answer always varies from person to person so here goes.

I'm 31, 155lbs with 20% body fat.
This will be my third cycle, the other two were done a very long time ago and I was careless to say the least.
I lift 3 times a week on a split routine and I eat like a horse.

I have test400 and deca250 from isis labs and I am planning on doing two shots a week 1ml of test and 1ml of deca in each shot which will result in 800mg of test and 500mg of deca each week.
The guy I bought the gear from told me this would be a good cycle for me to build size and strength on but I want to make sure I have all the info down before I proceed.

My main concerns are pct and which way to run the cycle, is 800mg of test and 500mg of deca too much or too little?
I plan on running the cycle for 10 weeks, is this ok?
Have read on this forum that I should stop the deca two weeks before the test, is this right?
What pct should I be taking for this cycle and how and when should I be taking it?

I have access to any form of pct treatment but just don't know what the hell to be taking, my main concern is testicle shrinkage and loosing gains once the cycle finishes.

I've come here to ask the experts as we all know our health is our wealth and I don't want to screw up my body by doing anything wrong, any guidance would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance: )

 

[Megatron28]

How tall are you?

 

[Stephenz]

Sorry, I'm 5.6, very short

 

[Maintenance Man]

Hey guys I know this question has probably been asked a 1000 times on this forum and believe me I have read most of them but I think the answer always varies from person to person so here goes.

I'm 31, 155lbs with 20% body fat.
This will be my third cycle, the other two were done a very long time ago and I was careless to say the least.
I lift 3 times a week on a split routine and I eat like a horse.

I have test400 and deca250 from isis labs and I am planning on doing two shots a week 1ml of test and 1ml of deca in each shot which will result in 800mg of test and 500mg of deca each week.
The guy I bought the gear from told me this would be a good cycle for me to build size and strength on but I want to make sure I have all the info down before I proceed.

My main concerns are pct and which way to run the cycle, is 800mg of test and 500mg of deca too much or too little?
I plan on running the cycle for 10 weeks, is this ok?
Have read on this forum that I should stop the deca two weeks before the test, is this right?
What pct should I be taking for this cycle and how and when should I be taking it?

I have access to any form of pct treatment but just don't know what the hell to be taking, my main concern is testicle shrinkage and loosing gains once the cycle finishes.

I've come here to ask the experts as we all know our health is our wealth and I don't want to screw up my body by doing anything wrong, any guidance would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance: )

Yes these have been asked many, many times but not much of what you asked is debatable if you actually researched it as you say you did.

I don't know what your training history is like but you don't physically seem ready for any steroids yet. 800mgs of test could be overkill on your 3rd cycle especially at your BF% causing more unwanted side affects. This in addition to never running a proper cycle as you admitted, why not start at the beginning the right way?? 10 weeks is not enuf for test. You will need at least 6-8 weeks to reach full saturation levels so then you aren't leaving much time at those desired levels. Move it up to 12 at least. 14 would be optimal. Yes, stop the deca 2 weeks out from the test. It will take longer to clear your system unless you are using a Sustanon (sust) blend then it might be around the same or a week less. PCT is all over the place here so you really didn't even look if you didn't propose a protocol at all for yourself. Also Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be looked into if shrinkage is a problem but it wont halt 100% atrophy. You have much more researching to do dude.

 

[Stephenz]

Thank you for your replies,

My body fat was a guess, can see the shape of my abs but they haven't popped yet.
I have done nothing but research pct for the last 3 weeks but all information seems to be different, didn't want to post a pct plan as afraid of looking stupid.
I agree with you though about being ready as this is why I'm posting here now.

Last cycles were deca 500mg and Winnie, was carlees in pct is what I meant

 

[Maintenance Man]

Thank you for your replies,

My body fat was a guess, can see the shape of my abs but they haven't popped yet.
I have done nothing but research pct for the last 3 weeks but all information seems to be different, didn't want to post a pct plan as afraid of looking stupid.
I agree with you though about being ready as this is why I'm posting here now.

Last cycles were deca 500mg and Winnie, was carlees in pct is what I meant

No problem dude, glad to help. Your weight is still a bit low and I'm sure you can still make solid gains at 155lbs and high teen BF%. No need to feel stupid man. We all learn somewhere. The usual standard PCT protocol is Clomid and Nolva for 4 weeks each. Clomid can be ran at 100/50/50/50 and Nolva at 40/40/20/20. U can frontload the Clomid as well on week 1 but its up to you. Most would for the first week.

You had cycles that didn't consist of a test base??

 

[Megatron28]

Have you given consideration to how you will deal with estradiol and prolactin while on cycle?

 

[Maintenance Man]

Have you given consideration to how you will deal with estradiol and prolactin while on cycle?

Thank you Mega. U will need caber or prami and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to counter what he is talking about. I was mainly going off what his main Qs were. Prolly getting ahead of myself assuming he knows this too lol

 

[Stephenz]

Yeah I've been told it was stupid of me not adding test to my last two cycles as my natural test shuts down, thank god I didn't run these for long.

Do I run clomid & nolva 3 weeks after last shot? Or during cycle also

 

[Stephenz]

Also forgot to mention I got my bloods done recently and all is fine.
Have read to start clomid if nipples get sensitive, is this correct

 

[Maintenance Man]

You really need to read this and soak it in.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycle-planning-executing-successful-cycle.html

 

[Stephenz]

Thanks guys for this: )

So this is how my pct will run, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

After last shot start pct 14 days
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

 

[Maintenance Man]

Thanks guys for this: )

So this is how my pct will run, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

After last shot start pct 14 days
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Its a great article for a beginner. Very well structured and explained to the tee. You look to have a better idea now of what you need. Glad that post helped

 

[Stephenz]

Yeah very informative and well put together, just ordered everything I need for pct: )

Feel very stupid now about how I could put substances into my body and not knowing the consequences, just hope I having done any long term damage.

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks guys for this: )

So this is how my pct will run, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

After last shot start pct 14 days
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

You need something for prolactin since you are taking Deca. As mentioned earlier in this chain, this would be Pramipexole or Cabergoline. It is important that read and comprehend the advice given to you. If you don't understand something, don't ignore it. Ask questions.

 

[Maintenance Man]

Yeah very informative and well put together, just ordered everything I need for pct: )

Feel very stupid now about how I could put substances into my body and not knowing the consequences, just hope I having done any long term damage.

We live and learn dude and this is a great place to learn. Hope your future cycles go well!!

 

[Stephenz]

Its a great article for a beginner. Very well structured and explained to the tee. You look to have a better idea now of what you need. Glad that post helped

You need something for prolactin since you are taking Deca. As mentioned earlier in this chain, this would be Pramipexole or Cabergoline. It is important that read and comprehend the advice given to you. If you don't understand something, don't ignore it. Ask questions.

So would I take pramipexole or Cabergoline instead of Arimidex or should I still take this also?

 

[Stephenz]

Scratch that last question, I understand now