Still shut down, add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during pct?

[lblizzie]

Still shut down, add HCG during pct?

Well I F'd up. I did a cycle of andromass about 6 months ago, followed up with 4 weeks nolva 40/20/20/20, felt fine but then got bloods done 2 months ago and test came back 190, base was 470. went back on nolva for 4 more weeks and test levels came back at 600+.

Got a little anxious and wanted to start my next cycle, which I definitely shouldn't have done, of test prop. Two weeks in the cycle I stopped due to side effects, started nolva at 40/20/20/20 along with a natty t-booster. Had a horrible crash after stopping, was extremely depressed, Libido non existent. I'm now in the 5th weeks of nolva and still shut down pretty bad.

What can I do at this point? I have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Clomid along with tons of nolva. Can Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be run this late into the PCT or would it just ruin whatever progress recovering that I've already made? If so what dose? Or should I add Clomid in at 50mg/day and up nolva to 40mg for another 4 weeks?

 

[UserAt204]

Two weeks of propionate shouldn't have caused that big of a problem. If nolva didn't work the first time then why run it a second time.

It's a tough call at this point because something is up with you. I could run a month of propionate and stop without all the trouble you've had.

Here's my piece of advice. If you are going to run a cycle, then run the actual cycle. Have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), preferably aromisin and post cycle therapy (pct) from the start. You should run clomid or torem not just nolva. They work in different ways.

I'm not sure if you are remaining shut down or just need time off everything. Normally I would say use a course of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) followed by clomid but in your case you are running post cycle therapy (pct)s much longer than the cycles.

Just run the clomid.

 

[Zeek]

I agree with User, just the clomid at this point!

 

[Zeek]

We are assuming he had good nolvadex. there is a lot of crap floating around out there. It's almost criminal to sell someone bum post cycle therapy (pct) goods.

 

[lblizzie]

Two weeks of propionate shouldn't have caused that big of a problem. If nolva didn't work the first time then why run it a second time.

It's a tough call at this point because something is up with you. I could run a month of propionate and stop without all the trouble you've had.

Here's my piece of advice. If you are going to run a cycle, then run the actual cycle. Have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), preferably aromisin and post cycle therapy (pct) from the start. You should run clomid or torem not just nolva. They work in different ways.

I'm not sure if you are remaining shut down or just need time off everything. Normally I would say use a course of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) followed by clomid but in your case you are running post cycle therapy (pct)s much longer than the cycles.

Just run the clomid.

What I'm thinking is the 600 test result might have been skewed because I was on Nolva at the time, so I might not have been as recovered in the first place as I thought.

As of now I don't think I'll ever do another cycle, pretty scarred from the whole experience. So at this point drop Nolva and continue Clomid? Would another 4 weeks be too much? I would rather over do it and be sure everything is back up and running. Bloods won't be done till after post cycle therapy (pct) tho.

@Zeek - Shouldn't be any issues with the Nolva as it is prescription. Got some for a gyno scare a while back.

 

[DADAWG]

you dont have to drop the nolva imo , run 20mg of nolva and 50 mg of clomid for 3-4 weeks , wait a few weeks and get bloodwork again if possible.

 

[UserAt204]

Agreed

 

[bigherm2121]

I ran nolva by itself the first time and I was all messed up. I run clomid and nolva and works great for me. I come back strong

 

[lblizzie]

Thanks for the advice guys, appreciate it! I'm going to throw in 50mg clomid with my 20mg nolva for another 4 weeks and then do blood work again.

 

[lblizzie]

Thanks for all the advice guys, appreciate it! I'm going to throw in 50mg Clomid along with the 20mg Nolva I've already been taking for another 4 weeks, then get bloods drawn again.

 

[lblizzie]

I ran nolva by itself the first time and I was all messed up. I run clomid and nolva and works great for me. I come back strong

How so? I definitely feel better than I did a couple weeks ago, but still pretty off and libido is extremely week. How long did it take you to get back with the clomid/nolva combo?