T3 while on Test E/Test P/HGH cycle or wait?

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Labest1

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I'm new to posting on this site but most of my research over the years comes from the posts here.

The Question is, I'm thinking of doing my T3 Cycle in the middle of this Test Cycle...
But maybe I should wait and use it on its own? (would love to use it with Clenbuterol if I can get some)
Not sure what OTC fat burner to use after the T3 (Ill happily take suggestions on easy to purchase ones)

My stats; in case it matters...
I am 45 y/o male 205 lbs @ 5'10'' Med build...
I workout Mon-Fri and the occasional Saturday...
I've done the Gym for years but wanted to try something new and just Started Crossfit two months ago.
Diet consists of 25% Protein, 40% Cho, 27% Fat, Easy to follow lol. (will consider adjusting it)
Protein 138g, Carbs 216g, Fat 65g total Kcalories=2171

My goal:
I don't want to become the hulk, but I do want to gain what I used to from my workouts when I was younger.
I have very easy access to the following gear so I would like to not substitute any...
I Just started the following cycle:

My Cycle:
HGH @ 2IU M-F (maintenance dose mostly) 2 Wks before, during and till 1 month after EOC
Test Prop @ 100mg/ml EOD for 300/Wk Weeks 1-3 (its a low dose but it works for me just fine)
Test Enan @ 250mg/ml once per week for weeks 1-10 (its a low dose but it works for me just fine)
I have considered doing weeks 1-20 on Test E but not sure if I will...
HCG @ 500IU per day for 10 days after the (last Test E shot?)
Nolvadex 40mg pill ED for 14 days, 20mg pill ED for 14 days, 10mg ED for 7 days.

I just read about some new products (relatively speaking) for PCT that I'm not listing, but will consider purchasing.

After researching it for a while, I Just got T3 today ( Today is day 2 of my Test Cycle ) and I'm thinking of using it....
For the T3 I'm doing the 4 day stack at 25,50,75,100,75,50,25 (28 days total I believe)

Comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated on all the information provided above...
Thank you.
 
There's a lot wrong with this cycle IMO. Also T3 promotes proteolysis more than protein synthesis (catabolism) so running it on cycle is recommended. Running it off cycle will defeat the purpose. Please research a bit more before starting the cycle.
 
Oh, no... I should have had it checked before I started... hmmm used it before and seemed to work but I had no one to compare to ... Im thick skinned, so feel free to let me know what your opinion is, keep in mind my goal. Is it too short? not high enough? or worse? lol
thanks
 
1) you're diet could use work based on the macro goals you've set.

2) no need for OTC fat burners as they are largely a waste of money. Diet and possibly cardio will do everything needed to burn fat. This goes back to point #1, your diet needs work. 3J is the boards nutritionist and has personalized services if you'd like to become a client, he also has a free diet help thread (follow his rules to get advice by reading the first post), and we have a diet section where myself and many others can give you invaluable critique of your diet and tailor it to your goals.

3) what's your goal out of hgh? Most will tell you it should be ran a minimum of 6months and dosage could be low depending on what you want out of it.

4) for the test prop, 100mg EOD comes out to 350mg/wk not 300mg/wk. picky I know lol.

5) for tren, what's your cycle history? If this is your first merry-go-round tren isn't recommended. Also tren will kill your cardio so crossfit and tren is not a good combo, that is if you want to be able to finish the metcons and WOD's.

6) no need to taper T3 up and down like that. Waste of time and product.

7) your use of HCG isn't the best. It should be ran from day one on cycle at 250iu 2x/wk for the duration to be stopped 4days prior to post cycle therapy (pct). the protocol you listed will serve to waste some bc the body can only metabolize so much and also to increase intra-testicular E2.

8) you should GEt blood work before during and after the cycle to ensure health and recovery.

9) your PCT sucks, it should include both clomid and Nolva.

10) your test e dose is very low, barely above a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose if at all. I think it's a waste to shut yourself down for that little unless you're doing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Even at 400mg/wk, the minimum I'd recommend to you, you won't grow like the Hulk, especially with doing crossfit and with your diet (no offense).

11) 10wks of test e isn't enough since it will take 6wks to fully "kick in". 12 is the going minimum so you get at least 6wks of "on time".

12) once a wk injections for test E will cause peaks and troughs in your serum levels. No matter what dose you stick to, whether you do my recommended 400mg/wk or your 250mg testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose, split it into bi weekly injections for more stable serum levels and less sides.
 
Ha, I was slow... but I'll leave it here any way... Dre is always spot on!

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Well lets start with your dosing... I don't have a problem with the Prop dose as a kick start (you may want to run it more like 4 weeks). But the Test E dose is pretty low, you won't be really raising your T serum levels to a point that its going to be noticeably helpful like a regular cycle of 500mg/week would be. You're basically just going to give yourself the tiniest of a boost and run a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose for the cycle. And at that dose, you're going to see a diminishing return past 12 weeks (possibly sooner).

Results are going to be tied directly to your diet... so if thats not in check (either bulking or cutting), you'll likely be disappointed here. Can't really make any recommendations on that unless you can tell us what your TDEE is, in conjunction with your actual goals for the cycle.

T3 can be used at any point (even from the beginning), but dosage will be dependent again on goals and personal tolerance for the compound.
 
HGH= I don't get sore as much, my recovery is very fast, my skin is softer lol and some of the other common things that happens with HGH.
As to the Diet, yes I can change it during the Cycle. Ill seek professional help with that... dont want my life to revolve around what I eat and body building... Maybe my thinking is more geared as to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Im trying to run it as a Cycle... this is something ill have to get straight... thank you..
As to the Test Prop it is a 10ml vial at 1000mg so i figured 100mg/ml EOD 3 shots per wk (mon, wed, fri) (Sat & Sun off) with an extra shot on wk 4 =P The Test Prop is to kick start ( ill change it to 4 weeks as suggested, might even go 6.5 weeks to finish out the second vial)
As to Tren, I dont think im using Tren.... unless Tren is Test Enanthate? I know it makes me sound like an idiot but im not afraid to ask... lol
MY history is I used this same cycle without the T3 about 10 years ago lol, also I have used hgh for sometime now about three months at a time with a long brake in between...
As to the T3 it is directly out of this site... Ill check it again to see if its been updated... Ill be happy to use whatever the current cycle is recommended by the experts today.
As to the HCG I'm not fond of using it throughout the cycle do to a post from here that was very long and inclusive...
Ill look for it, I know it is recommended to be used as you describe by most of the recent posts...
I did get a blood panel, lipids, cholesterol and everything else I could think of lol didn't think it was important to mention but I thank you for bringing it up.
As to the dose of the Test E, I was under the impression that the dosage was 250 to 500 per week. I can see how it is better to do it twice a week, maybe ill just do 250 twice a week. Just dont want to Bust out of my clothes lol even with my crappy diet, no offence taken lol
Okay, so I feel much better to double the length for my test P and my test E, Still a little worried about going with a bigger dose but I can always lower it mid cycle if I have to? maybe ?
Never did T3 before... Im thinking as to my goal.... I hate to say it but Im getting old and im feeling it... I feel like working out is just sucking the life out of me, It used to be that the more I worked out the better I felt... I want to be a little stronger and a little leaner... diet alone will not make that happen... My metabolism is slower now and I dont build muscle naturally like I used to.
Almost forgot as to the post cycle therapy (pct), yes I am missing Clomid, that is what I was talking about purchasing. thank you.
Thanks for not letting me waste my money on OTC fat burner I just thought about it cause again it is directly out of a post here for using T3... figured it was something new...
 
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Labest1 said:
HGH= I don't get sore as much, my recovery is very fast, my skin is softer lol and some of the other common things that happens with HGH.
As to the Diet, yes I can change it during the Cycle. Ill seek professional help with that... dont want my life to revolve around what I eat and body building... Maybe my thinking is more geared as to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Im trying to run it as a Cycle... this is something ill have to get straight... thank you..
As to the Test Prop it is a 10ml vial at 1000mg so i figured 100mg/ml EOD 3 shots per wk (mon, wed, fri) (Sat & Sun off) with an extra shot on wk 4 =P The Test Prop is to kick start ( ill change it to 4 weeks as suggested, might even go 6.5 weeks to finish out the second vial)
As to Tren, I dont think im using Tren.... unless Tren is Test Enanthate? I know it makes me sound like an idiot but im not afraid to ask... lol
MY history is I used this same cycle without the T3 about 10 years ago lol, also I have used hgh for sometime now about three months at a time with a long brake in between...
As to the T3 it is directly out of this site... Ill check it again to see if its been updated... Ill be happy to use whatever the current cycle is recommended by the experts today.
As to the HCG I'm not fond of using it throughout the cycle do to a post from here that was very long and inclusive...
Ill look for it, I know it is recommended to be used as you describe by most of the recent posts...
I did get a blood panel, lipids, cholesterol and everything else I could think of lol didn't think it was important to mention but I thank you for bringing it up.
As to the dose of the Test E, I was under the impression that the dosage was 250 to 500 per week. I can see how it is better to do it twice a week, maybe ill just do 250 twice a week. Just dont want to Bust out of my clothes lol even with my crappy diet, no offence taken lol
Okay, so I feel much better to double the length for my test P and my test E, Still a little worried about going with a bigger dose but I can always lower it mid cycle if I have to? maybe ?
Never did T3 before... Im thinking as to my goal.... I hate to say it but Im getting old and im feeling it... I feel like working out is just sucking the life out of me, It used to be that the more I worked out the better I felt... I want to be a little stronger and a little leaner... diet alone will not make that happen... My metabolism is slower now and I dont build muscle naturally like I used to.
Almost forgot as to the post cycle therapy (pct), yes I am missing Clomid, that is what I was talking about purchasing. thank you.
Thanks for not letting me waste my money on OTC fat burner I just thought about it cause again it is directly out of a post here for using T3... figured it was something new...
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I might be missing something but what you wrote is an eyesore to read so I apologize.

1)for hgh someone else wil have to chime in. I'm not experienced enough to help you further.

2) your diet need not lead your life. All you need is to figure out how much (calories and macros) you need for your goals and eat that. Sources aren't IMPORTSNT for body composition but are for health so it's advised to eat a wide variety of whole and minimally processed foods to ensure micronutrient sufficiency. I always pick foods that I enjoy eating and make them fit into my diet. It's simple and doesn't require much effort.

3) I advise you toget things straight before injecting anything for your sake. Too many people inject first and ask questions later so please do your homework first.

4) M W F schedule for test prop is not every other day, that would be 3x/wk. like I said, I'm being picky here but EOD or ED is recommended bc of the half life and stable serum values. You could even use less prop and get more pins out of it bc you're also pinning test E in the beginning.

5) I read test E as tren my apologies. That is my mistake.

6) if its your first cycle in so long lets keep it simple. 4wks kick start with prop EOD (mon, wed, fri, sun, tues, thurs, etc) and test e wks 1-12 400mg/wk split into 2 pins of 200mg each. This is assuming you're looking to go very light. You can bumpy up test e dosage if you'd like to 500 or 600mg a week.

7) at your weight, I would wait to use T3 until you're on AAS so you don't lose muscle. When on AAS use it between 75-125mcg/day. You can use it indefinitely but again only on cycle. We've learned much about T3 since it first came out so check the date of what you're using as reference.

8) about HCG it may be due to Ledyig cell desensitization but I assure you that will not happen at the doses I recommend and for the length of a 12-20wk cycle. Post up your HCG info when you find it and ill be happy to go over it.

9) blood work is always important to mention. Many ppl skip over it but its the single most useful investment of the cycle. Post up your values if you'd like interpretations. Blood work will help gauge recovery and make sure you cycle as safely as possible.

10) a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose can be anywhere from around 100mg/wk to 250mg/wk. this results in serum levels of 800-1200ng/dL (the 1200 being an outlier). I would recommend no less than 400mg and again, you will not grow as easily as you think. Muscle still takes. Time to build and you won't be popping out of shirts. You also need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like arimidex or aromasin.

11) yes you can always adjust as necessary but again I think you'll like 4wks of prop and 12wks of test e at 400mg/ wk or more.

12) I did T3 and readily enjoyed it. Wll use it again for sure. Here's an informative thread.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/656962-t3-complete-guide-cycling-t3-how-works.html

13) def get clomid. It's needed for best chances of recovery.

14) no problem, if you don't want to waste money you don't need any fat burners. T3 and a good diet will do everything possibly needed.
 
Lets try something and have some fun.
I have 3x1000 mg vials of test E, 3x2500 mg vials of test P, a few 100 IU boxes of HGH, I need to buy clomid still but, have 120 Nolvadex @10mg ea, and 200 T3 @ 50 mcg ea
Keeping in mind I'm NOT a bodybuilder and don't want to be (I know, I know, why do I come here then; Cause this is where the experts are) and don't want to get huge how would you recommend I Cycle this?
I do want to get out of my workouts what I used to when I was 30 (im currently 45)
 
lol I know.... I am every reason ppl hate dealing with newbs hehe.... but I deeply appreciate you time and effort in helping me...
 
Yes, I had just read about arimidex or aromasin, had not hear of it till just before I posted. Happy to see the advances but sad that I will have to figure it all out again lol Great to have good help... I can easily adjust my cycle to meet the proper doses...
I will have to find trustworthy links to buy the clomid and the aromasin...and whatever else im missing...
Ill get my results from the doc and post... they like to keep all your stuff these days...
As I see it, I will have a few days of reading now...
This time Im going to take pictures and measurements B)
Ill post pre and post when I'm done with the Cycle...
Thanks
 
Wks 1-4 you can do your test prop as kick start. Do this no less than every other day.
Wks 1-12 test e 400-500mg/wk split into a Monday and Thursday dose so 200-250mg Monday and the same on Thursday.
Wks 1-14 adex .25mg/EOD or aromasin 12.5-25mg/ED
Wks 1-14 HCG 250iu 2x/wk (can do in same pin as testosterone if wanted). Stop HCG 4 days prior to PCT
Wks 2-14 T3 75-125mcg/day

Wait 14-18days after last injection to start pct

4wks clomid: 50/50/25/25 (those are daily dosages for each week in mg's)
4wks Nolva: 40/40/20/20 (daily dosages for each week again in mg's).
 
Here's how to get cheap blood work done. You do not want to go to your doctor mid cycle or pot cycle to get bloods and alert them to possible AAS use. Use the advice in this thread.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/652231-how-get-accurate-testosterone-level-results.html

Look at the top of the forum for RUI with the red banner and lion on the top. They are a forum sponsor and have adex, aromasin, clomid, and many other products. I have ordered from them on 4 separate occasions and each time was 110% satisfied. They will continue to get my business in the future.
 
How cool, thanks...

Okay, so I just did a search on RUI
I searched Adex and I took me to Tmox/Nolvadex - I have Nolvadex already...
I searched Clomid but nothing came out... Still not sure where to get it...
I searched for Aromasin and it took me to Stane, I can buy that from them...
 
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DreDay187 said:
Wks 1-4 you can do your test prop as kick start. Do this no less than every other day.
Wks 1-12 test e 400-500mg/wk split into a Monday and Thursday dose so 200-250mg Monday and the same on Thursday.
Wks 1-14 adex .25mg/EOD or aromasin 12.5-25mg/ED
Wks 1-14 HCG 250iu 2x/wk (can do in same pin as testosterone if wanted). Stop HCG 4 days prior to PCT
Wks 2-14 T3 75-125mcg/day

Wait 14-18days after last injection to start pct

4wks clomid: 50/50/25/25 (those are daily dosages for each week in mg's)
4wks Nolva: 40/40/20/20 (daily dosages for each week again in mg's).
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HCG IM? can I do it Sub Q? or did I misunderstand?
 
Labest1 said:
How cool, thanks...

Okay, so I just did a search on RUI
I searched Adex and I took me to Tmox/Nolvadex - I have Nolvadex already...
I searched Clomid but nothing came out... Still not sure where to get it...
I searched for Aromasin and it took me to Stane, I can buy that from them...
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RUI names them a little different bc they're in liquid solution/suspension. For adex look for liquidex, for aromasin look for liquid stane, clomid is liquid clomi. Go to their main page and click on ancillaries. You should see everything you need under there.
 
Ah, thanks... went to the net to figure out alt names, didn't think they would have made their own...
Also, did not know they had a liquid form... Always had read of pills...
I would think the injectable should be lower dose than a pill?
I can see how the absorption would be faster via IM than through the GI, but SQ is via the endocrine, so that would still be faster than Swallowing a pill?
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what route the dose you gave is intended for...
Also, I'm thinking Liquid is better than pill form, no?
Would you please clarify the route and dose.
Im about to try out our friends from RUI =)
 
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