Test E and winstrol cycle

[Bender1]

I've always wanted to try a cycle out, and was talking to a friend about it. He said he knew someone, and I talked to him. Told him my goals were to gain mainly strength and burn fat, but adding some weight/mass was fine, anyways he hooked me up with test e (250mg per ml. 10ml bottle) and winstrol (100mg per ml. 10ml bottle).

My cycle as of what he told me is
250mg test e twice a week
100mg of winstrol every other day
And to follow this for 5 weeks and let him know if I want to end it then using nolvadex as my PCT or get the same thing for 10 week cycle and use nolvadex as PCT then.

If anyone has any comments or suggestion on this cycle I'd like to hear it as this is my first cycle, oh and of course ill still be taking my multis, fish oil, protein, and creatine.

Thanks!

 

[freakyfoot]

Do some more research!!!! It's all here in the stickies....test e gets to full concentration around week 5 so a 5wk cycle is pointless!!!! You can actually cut on test e only...cutting is all about diet!! Winstrol isn't recommended for first cycle at all. Do yourself a favor and research for yourself, doesn't sound like your "friend" is giving you knowledgable advice. After 5 months of reading and studying (mostly on this site) I just now feel knowledgable enough to start my own first cycle, actually started this week! Your first cycle should be test e or c at 500mg/wk for 12 wks(250 twice a week), Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control estrogen levels, nolvadex and clomid for pct.....hcg is optional but prevents testicular atrophy which most connect with quicker hpta recovery, keeping more of your gains as a result. Lots of info out there.... Soak it up, this is your body you are dealing with here, know more before you start and be safe!!!

 

[Bender1]

Hmm why exactly is winstrol not used for first cycle?

 

[freakyfoot]

Varying opinions out there.....you're gonna have to research that for yourself!! Winstrol (winny) is a contest prep that dries you out for that harder/cut look......problem is it dries EVERYTHING out!!! Including joints!! The base of ALL cycles should be test.....without running test alone and experiencing how your body reacts with or without sides etc.. By stacking compounds you will not know where your side effects are coming from or which avenue to take to combat those sides.....thus the reason to run test only on your first cycle. Not to mention a test only cycle can produce amazing results provided its ran properly with good diet and training regimen. Don't take my word for it.....research it on your own! This way you can form your own opinion

 

[Bender1]

Okay well from some more research and your guys advice my new cycle is going to be:
1-10 weeks of test e 250mg twice a week
7-10 weeks of winstrol 50mg ED
Nolvadex as PCT
As so far any other suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

[Sardis23]

Like freaky said drop the Winstrol (winny) and run test by itself for 10-12 weeks. Run nolva and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). You made no mention of an AI? Make sure you have everything you need before you start. Also you haven't told us anything about yourself, give us your stats, cycling history, etc.

 

[Sardis23]

Also take the price out of your first post, it's against the forum rules.

 

[Docd187]

Why do you seem he'll bent on using winstrol? If this is your first cycle you should absolutely not even consider it. It should be used when you're already at pretty low body fat or contest prep. It is an oral so it has some harsh sides such as liver toxicity and as mentioned it seriously dries out your joints. You should run a test only cycle and longer than your 10wk plan. Your PCT is subpar and you don't even mention dosing you'll be using. You have a lot more research and studying to do before you're mentally ready to commit to AAS use. STOP LISTENING TO THIS SOMEONE IMMEDIATELY, he has no clue what he's doing other than making a quick buck off of you.

Also like Sardis pointed out, remove pricing from your original post. It is totally against forum rules to mention pricing, Shipping details and the like. Read the rules of the forum as well as do more research.

 

[Bender1]

Well I'm 6'2 and 195 and my body fat is around 9-10% so I'd say that's pretty low, and I'm not trying to become a body builder, just for looks, and strength. I'm a soccer player, tae Kwon do (second degree black belt), football kicker. So the winstrol doesn't seem like a bad idea to me, I understand why you guys are saying it, but it's already bought and from my research it's for cutting/hardening ( by all means correct me if I'm wrong) and that's what I'm looking for at the end of this cycle.
Also my bad on the price. Thanks for the warning.

 

[Bender1]

Oh also I didn't want to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unless necessary but I need to get one on hand, any suggestions for that?

 

[freakyfoot]

AI is necessary!!! Nobody here is gonna spoon feed you info, there is a reason everybody is tellin u to do more research! If you had researched more you would know that testosterone aromatizes..converting to estrogen!! so unless u want all the sides associated with high estro(all of which cannot be seen) dont take one! You are correct... Winstrol is for cutting/hardening but also produces undesirable effects just because of how it removes fluids. Very experienced users generally only use Winstrol (winny) for contest prep...but hey what the hell do they know right?

 

[Bender1]

Well thank you freakyfoot, how is aramidex .25mg every day as a dose for my AI?

 

[Docd187]

Well thank you freakyfoot, how is aramidex .25mg every day as a dose for my AI?

Adex is a solid choice. Start off every other day and work your way up as needed with blood work. Also the winstrol may be bought and paid for but if you were serious about all the sports you do you will soon be regretting your choice. Sports are hard enough on the joints without the added sides from winstrol which as I mentioned previously will play hell in your joints

 

[Bender1]

Hmm yeah that's the only part I'm a little worried about I was hoping 3 weeks on it would do what I want without the joint problem, but I'm going to ask if he will switch the winstrol for another test e 10 ml so I can just do a ten week cycle of it

 

[Bender1]

This thread can be deleted, but thank you for all of the information!