Test E - Boldenon - Primobolan - Libido & Anxiety issues

[Mr.Nutcase]

Cliff notes:

*Predisposed to anxiety
*Test+deca in my teens (stupid)= bad anxiety, stopped half way through
*Test only last year= God mode, great libido and mood
*Test primobolan boldenon this year= low libido, moderate anxiety
*Want to stop boldenon or primo for a week or 2 to figure out which one is giving me the negative effects.
*Is this ok? Pimo could be fake maybe?

Hi guys,

I'm 26, been training for a few years.
When i was a lot younger and a lot dumber i ran some test and deca , which gave me really bad anxiety attacks as i am already predisposed to anxiety. (The type that gives me physical symptoms, shortness of breath, tingling, cold/hot parts of the body, just feel very edgy and uncomfortable in general)

Last year i ran a Test E only cycle, most of it was at 1.5ml (375mg) per week but i did go up as high as 2ml/500mg for 2 weeks.
During that time i felt amazing. Happy, motivated, horny as hell, and just felt like a beast in general. It pretty much made it impossible for me to feel anxious, even when doing things that would normally bring it on.


This year im running Test E, Bold, and Primo
Im in week 6, the test has been at 500mg the whole time, boldenon has been at 300mg primobolan at 300mg
The whole time ive been on ive had a decreased libido, and 0 well being benefits that i had in my last cycle, if anything my general well being is worse than when i was off cycle and my anxiety level sits above baseline constantly, spiking occasionally. I can have sex, but there's not much desire to.

I would like to try and figure out which compound out of the boldenon or primobolan is having this effect, so that i can continue to run the other compound with test. So if it was the boldenon i could remove that from the cycle and just hit more primo in its place, or vice versa. I was thinking of just skipping the primo this week and seeing if things improved, and if they do, then i know its the primo or vice versa with the boldenon

I've also heard that a very large percentage of primo is fake, and people put other compounds in its place and just say its primo. If someone put deca in a primo bottle and sold that, and it made its way to my guy, then that could be the reason.

My question is simply will it be ok to just stop one of the 2 compounds and see what happens?

Sorry about the long winded explanation. Any help appreciated. Cheers

 

[halfwit]

Yes, you can simply stop the two other compounds and be fine. I am curious, what are you using for an aromatase inhibitor (AI)? High estrogen levels can easily cause anxiety, so I wonder if this might be what's going on here. If you are indeed taking deca instead of primo, I'd also imagine you're suffering from excess prolactin.

My .02c

 

[Mr.Nutcase]

Thanks for your reply, i was taking arimidex, but thought that was the reason for the loss of libido, as i read that it can have that effect, so i switched to tamoxifen but no change.

My next injection is tomorrow, i'm going to try just test and boldenon, and if i feel better, then i'll keep it like that, but if i feel the same, then that might mean that the boldenon is the problem.
In that case on the next injection which will be next week, ill resume the primo and stop the boldenon, and see how i feel? im just worried that it may not be wise to stop and start and mix the compounds around like this

 

[halfwit]

Thanks for your reply, i was taking arimidex, but thought that was the reason for the loss of libido, as i read that it can have that effect, so i switched to tamoxifen but no change.

My next injection is tomorrow, i'm going to try just test and boldenon, and if i feel better, then i'll keep it like that, but if i feel the same, then that might mean that the boldenon is the problem.
In that case on the next injection which will be next week, ill resume the primo and stop the boldenon, and see how i feel? im just worried that it may not be wise to stop and start and mix the compounds around like this

Okay, using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) properly will not cause problems with your libido as it's the overuse that can crush your estrogen - leading to a soft willy. I'd resume the arimidex at .25mg EOD and see how you feel. You can still drop the primo, but tamoxifen will not keep you from making more estrogen, which WILL happen with the testosterone injections.

 

[Mr.Nutcase]

Ok cool, ill order more liquidex from ar-r and just continue the tamox for now untill the liquidex kicks in, so theres no gyno flare up during the switch. thanks man

 

[halfwit]

Ok cool, ill order more liquidex from ar-r and just continue the tamox for now untill the liquidex kicks in, so theres no gyno flare up during the switch. thanks man

Sounds good, let us know how it goes!

 

[Mr.Nutcase]

My arimidex is taking its time getting to me unfortunately. Libido is still low as its been the whole time, and anxiety remains bad.
Mind you ive stopped both the boldenon and the primobolan so i dont think any of them are causing it, im just running 500mg/wk test enanthate now and 30 mg a day tamoxifen.

If i was to go and get a blood test to check estrogen levels, would they still show up as high?
Since tamoxifen doesnt get rid of the actual estrogen? and if so, how can i tell if i need more or less tamoxifen?

Also, is high prolactin possible from any of those 3 compounds? because if my estrogen is in check then it has to be prolactin right?

 

[Mr.Nutcase]

bump

 

[halfwit]

My arimidex is taking its time getting to me unfortunately. Libido is still low as its been the whole time, and anxiety remains bad.
Mind you ive stopped both the boldenon and the primobolan so i dont think any of them are causing it, im just running 500mg/wk test enanthate now and 30 mg a day tamoxifen.

If i was to go and get a blood test to check estrogen levels, would they still show up as high?
Since tamoxifen doesnt get rid of the actual estrogen? and if so, how can i tell if i need more or less tamoxifen?

Also, is high prolactin possible from any of those 3 compounds? because if my estrogen is in check then it has to be prolactin right?

Neither of those other compounds are progestins, so you're fine on the prolactin front with regards to the EQ and Primo. Yes, your blood test will show you with very high levels of estrogen if you've been running 500mg/wk of testosterone without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). If it comes back as normal, then I'd start looking at other causes, but I can tell you that it's very likely that high E2 is what's killing your pecker and making you anxious.

My .02c

 

[Mr.Nutcase]

Thanks halfwit, im running 30mg ED tamoxifen though. Would that affect the estrogen reading of the blood work? Because if tamoxifen is supposed to lower the estrogen reading, and i get the blood work back, and my estrogen is still high, then i know that the tamoxifen is bunk.

Im just not sure how the estrogen reading is done with regards to tamoxifen since it doesnt actually lower the estrogen, just stops it from binding.

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks halfwit, im running 30mg ED tamoxifen though. Would that affect the estrogen reading of the blood work? Because if tamoxifen is supposed to lower the estrogen reading, and i get the blood work back, and my estrogen is still high, then i know that the tamoxifen is bunk.

Im just not sure how the estrogen reading is done with regards to tamoxifen since it doesnt actually lower the estrogen, just stops it from binding.

You kind of answered your own question. Tamoxifen does not alter serum levels of estrogen, it is a mixed agonist/antagonist to the estrogen receptor depending on the tissue. In breast tissue, it's an antagonist and fights to bind with the receptor instead of actual estrogen. Thus it helps prevent gyno but doesn't change blood estrogen levels.

An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor. It blocks the aromatase enzyme from binding with testosterone to create estrogen. It does t block the receptor like tamoxifen does donors not as effective at getting rid of gyno but it can be effective at preventing gyno from happening with proper usage. Also by blocking the conversion of testosterone to estrogen, it will lower blood estrogen levels whereas tamoxifen will not. Hope that helps explain it for you.

 

[Mr.Nutcase]

I think i found out what the issue is =) got the blood work back.
Everything is normal, except my kidney values are pretty high, and my testosterone is 2.4nmol/l !!! I'm running 500mg/week "testosterone enanthate" so the only reason why my test could be that low is if my test E is not test E.

E2 is 86pmol/l

 

[Thunder949]

I think i found out what the issue is =) got the blood work back.
Everything is normal, except my kidney values are pretty high, and my testosterone is 2.4nmol/l !!! I'm running 500mg/week "testosterone enanthate" so the only reason why my test could be that low is if my test E is not test E.

E2 is 86pmol/l

Your anxiety might also be less if you divide your 500mg into more shots a week.