Test levels very low after post cycle therapy (pct) - what to do?

[LiftForLife]

Test levels very low after PCT - what to do?

4 weeks after post cycle therapy (pct) of HCG/clomid/nolva, my total test level is at only 127.

I have zero libido and have lost all my strength gains since I started steroids 2 years ago.

I know it isn't a good idea to go back on a cycle now, but what would be the danger if I did so? I know I will start feeling great in just a few days. Right now I don't even workout coz I feel my body will not build any strength or muscle without test. So is it ok for me to try another cycle and fix the mess later?
I am 33 yrs old.

 

[5x10]

when did the low test symptoms start?

 

[LiftForLife]

During post cycle therapy (pct), now that post cycle therapy (pct) is done, I feel worse each day

 

[Hcc5881]

Where did you get your clomid and nolva? and did you use HCG during post cycle therapy (pct). i hope not. hcg itself is suppressive. can you give us more info on how you ran your PCT? how long ago was it? what were your doses and duration?

 

[LiftForLife]

Took HCG for only a few days before Clomid/Nolva. The Clomid/Nolva were bought from a pharmacy and ought to be legit.
Did 100 clomid and 20 nolva for 4 straight weeks.

 

[Sadista]

what was your cycle and for how long did you run it

also it is a mistake to stop working out now...it might slow down your recovery

 

[Hcc5881]

what was your cycle and for how long did you run it

also it is a mistake to stop working out now...it might slow down your recovery

good point and good question. what all did you run? and you should stop hcg 2 weeks prior to starting post cycle therapy (pct). not days before. 100 clomid everyday for 4 weeks is actually pretty intense. here is how i do it:
clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/20/20/20

also, you may want to try a "restart" on your levels by going through another post cycle therapy (pct). answer the above questions first. RUI has great chemicals for this purpose but they are for research purposes only (and not for human consumption). My lab rat has had nothing but EXCELLENT results from RUI.

 

[Hcc5881]

also, after answering the question on what you took, how many days did you allow to go by since your last pin did you start PCT?

 

[LiftForLife]

I did 300 Tren & 250 Test for 8 weeks. Waited 2 weeks before doing HCG for 1 week, then clomid/nolva.

Could I now do HCG for 2 weeks (5000 iu day 1, then 1000 iu eod) and then clomid/nolva again?
Think that might jumpstart my recovery?

 

[Hcc5881]

ouch... not quite the way to do it bro. what kind of test and tren was it? test cyp/enth and tren ace?
here is a little info. i want to help you.
tren- shuts you down hard. harder than test. tren ace is out of your system quickly. no problems. tren enth stays in your system for just a bit and needs to be "drained out"
test- obviously shuts you down but not as hard as a 19-nor (such as tren).
HCG- Usually ran THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE CYCLE. this will keep your testicles from atrophy in the first place. It is usually stopped 2 weeks prior to ending your cycle or during your last pin if youre running a longer ester.

Now, for the restart... I would like to hear some more advice from the vets here as to whether they recommend using HCG again before clomid/nolva treatment. It may not be bad to do 500iu eod for a couple weeks then wait a bit and do the clomid/nolva treatment. remember, using TOO much HCG can PERMANENTLY damage the testicles beyond repair where they will never produce the same test levels again. HCG is something to be careful with.

 

[cashout]

Do some research on Dr. Michael Scally's post cycle therapy (pct) Protocol.

He has a great track record of "restarts" for those who have used AAS and are now faced with chronically test levels.

He has a couple of peer reviewed publications on his work with AAS users who have had low test levels for over 12 months. It is really worth reading.

 

[LiftForLife]

It was test enan & tren enan

thanks for all your help bro. I am waiting on advice for how much HCG to jumpstart with?

 

[Hcc5881]

Do some research on Dr. Michael Scally's post cycle therapy (pct) Protocol.

He has a great track record of "restarts" for those who have used AAS and are now faced with chronically test levels.

He has a couple of peer reviewed publications on his work with AAS users who have had low test levels for over 12 months. It is really worth reading.

good point. i've heard of this guy. he is supposed to be good. his therapy is a little aggressive but it supposedly works. this may be your best bet to get your levels up.

 

[UserAt204]

It is perfectly fine to run hcg until 4 days before starting serms and actually is a good idea to do so. It's not uncommon to need to run a second post cycle therapy (pct). For whatever reason your hpta is not functioning properly. There are a couple things you can do

1. Start hcg at 500iu to 1000iu a day for 10 days then have blood work and see if hcg increases your TT levels. This will tell you if your testes are functioning and accepting the lh signal. If not you continue and get tested again. If you get bloodwork and the numbers are higher showing your testes are functioning, you then start serms again to get them producing on their own.

2. Simply run a second pct.