Test only, first cycle, need some help...

[teddybear1717]

Hi, guys, new to the forum, good to be here...
Anyways, I'm 25 years old, 5'9'' (180cm), and 189 pounds (86kg), with 8%bf.
I want to do a test only cycle, my first one ever, and I have a few questions for you guys...

So, the cycle would be 10 weeks(maybe 12), 250mg of test E, every third day.



Now for the questions: (some are a bit noob-like, but I just want to cover all the bases, I've read a lot about all of this, but still some questions remain unanswered)

1. When to start taking AI? Some say from the start(week 1) till the end(week 10), others say from week 3 till the end(week 10). What should I do? And is Arimidex ok?

2. Should I do hcg at 250iu, every 3 days during the whole cycle (week 1 to week 10)?

3. From what I've read so far, there are a lot of different views on Clomid and Nolva, some people say do just one, some say do them both... Is it a bad thing If I just take Clomid? Is 50mg every day during 4 weeks ok? (starting 2 weeks after the last injection)

4. Am I missing anything? Should I take or get anything else?

 

[soldier74]

Good to see you did some homework. I would definantly run 12week cycle. I started a'dex 2 weeks into cycle @ .25mg eod, np. Hcg not necessary this cycle. Clomid alone is fine but adding nolva won't hurt.

 

[KingBF]

^^^agreed

 

[teddybear1717]

Should I expect any side effects like temporary loss of libido?

 

[imdennis]

Should I expect any side effects like temporary loss of libido?

at first i was happy cause you read your stuff but thats mistaken, thinking you just ripped off cycle knowledge off someone other post...., why are you injecting 250mg every 3 days day... just stick to somehting like monday and tuesday, and of course you'll lose your libido, your prostate will enlarge, you'll break out in acne and maybe even get hair loss depending on genes

 

[teddybear1717]

What? What are you talking about? No, I did not rip off anyone. I did read a lot on this forum, and a few other... I mean, all test only cycles are very very similar... my only questions were about pct. Why the hell would I take monday and tuesday, maybe you meant monday and thursday, that has more sense... Still, taking every third day sounds better, because there are two days between monday and thursday, and three days between thursday and monday...so every third day makes more sense, to me at least...

 

[madmaxx]

Just go every 3.5 days.

 

[surfdog]

pining every 3 days will result in doing more then 500 a week just remember to have enough gear to finish your cycle out you'll end up short

it's really not going to hurt to just do twice a week, it's a long ester if you were doing sus 250 then you would want to be more consistent, but with that you should have no issues twice a week

 

[soldier74]

Sex drive will increase. Concerning sides eveyone is different.

 

[imdennis]

What? What are you talking about? No, I did not rip off anyone. I did read a lot on this forum, and a few other... I mean, all test only cycles are very very similar... my only questions were about pct. Why the hell would I take monday and tuesday, maybe you meant monday and thursday, that has more sense... Still, taking every third day sounds better, because there are two days between monday and thursday, and three days between thursday and monday...so every third day makes more sense, to me at least...

yea sorry i meant thursday. you'll run short if u go every 3 days, your test cycle will go from like 12 weeks to like 9 or 10

 

[teddybear1717]

Thanx for all the replies
How about after the cycle...? I know I worry too much, but I did read some guys saying their willie was a bit limp after the cycle was over. Clomid and Arimidex should not let this happen, right? And the same applies to prostate enlargement right? Sorry for being a noob, and a tad paranoid...

 

[jagbc]

Clomid/nolva or clomid alone seems to work

 

[matrix8]

This is a great question. There isn't a lot of info on this online and a doctor will not have a clue. I have only done 3 major 4 month cycles in my life but have now decided at 38 years old that it seems pointless to take a huge amount of stuff that is gonna kill the libido during or for long time afterwards.
I have researched and tried several short cycles and have come chosen a 7 week cycle that I will now do once /year with no hit to the libido but instead will shoot it into hyperdrive like a 16 year old!. Look it over and ask around to see if it suits your needs.

5 weeks - 7 weeks

Test enanthate - 125mg eod - starting week 1 ( for 5 weeks)
GH - 3iu / 2X per day - starting week 2 ( 4 weeks)
proviron - 1/2 tab twice per day - starting week 3 ( 3 weeks)
HCG - starting week 5 ( 1 week)(2000iu,1000,500,250, 150)
cabergoline (cabaser /prami) - starting week 4 ( 3 weeks) 0.25mg once per week
aromasin starting week 7 ( 2-3 weeks)

This will obviously not lead to the lean, dry vascular look but will put on plenty of muscle while being bouncing off the walls with libido.
If I just look at winnie, tren or even deca my drive is gone and feel like crap.
Having said all that , you are 25 years old and the anabolics shouldn't hit your sexdrive too much at all. But once you hit 35 it will.
All of the gear I recommended here are great for libido . Put them together and it is a dream come true.
(Even clomid and nolvadex will kill the libido while you r on them)
Good luck

 

[Methodology]

pining every 3 days will result in doing more then 500 a week just remember to have enough gear to finish your cycle out you'll end up short

it's really not going to hurt to just do twice a week, it's a long ester if you were doing sus 250 then you would want to be more consistent, but with that you should have no issues twice a week

Also remember that if u get your gear from a ugl, you can run short bc they are not all the way full, kinda blows for me bc I'm doing 300mg E4D, and I only got 9mL vials from aml.

 

[teddybear1717]

Can anyone explain this whole "clomid and arimidex will kill your libido" issue... I kinda don't want this to happen... Actually I really don't want this to happen.

 

[teddybear1717]

And as an add-on to the previous question, when should I expect the libido drop to happen? And how long will it take(on averege) for it to get back to normal?
I do plan to run arimidex .25 eod during weeks 3-12, and clomid 50/50/50/50 for pct... and maybe hcg during weeks 1-12, at 250iu etd, maybe.

 

[Hugepecks91]

Libido will drop when u finish your cycle. But not before. I ran arimidex at .25mg ED because I had high estrogen since I'm taking 600mg of test cyp a week.
Take adex all the way from the start of the second week to the end of PCT and run Nolvaldex and clomid like the guys are telling you.
The libidos drop will not come from the drugs to help u on PCT it's gonna come because ur natty lvls of test will be shut off from ur cycle. You should should be fine if u run your pct right and libido should return in a month or two. Everyone is different. Some people dont have probs with libido at all. Just keep ur cycle on track and don't miss adex days or PCT and ur fine.

 

[Hugepecks91]

Libido will drop when u finish your cycle. But not before. I ran arimidex at .25mg ED because I had high estrogen since I'm taking 600mg of test cyp a week.
Take adex all the way from the start of the second week to the end of PCT and run Nolvaldex and clomid like the guys are telling you.
The libidos drop will not come from the drugs to help u on PCT it's gonna come because ur natty lvls of test will be shut off from ur cycle. You should should be fine if u run your pct right and libido should return in a month or two. Everyone is different. Some people dont have probs with libido at all. Just keep ur cycle on track and don't miss adex days or PCT and ur fine.

 

[Hugepecks91]

Libido will drop when u finish your cycle. But not before. I ran arimidex at .25mg ED because I had high estrogen since I'm taking 600mg of test cyp a week.
Take adex all the way from the start of the second week to the end of PCT and run Nolvaldex and clomid like the guys are telling you.
The libidos drop will not come from the drugs to help u on PCT it's gonna come because ur natty lvls of test will be shut off from ur cycle. You should should be fine if u run your pct right and libido should return in a month or two. Everyone is different. Some people dont have probs with libido at all. Just keep ur cycle on track and don't miss adex days or PCT and ur fine.

 

[Hugepecks91]

Libido will drop when u finish your cycle. But not before. I ran arimidex at .25mg ED because I had high estrogen since I'm taking 600mg of test cyp a week.
Take adex all the way from the start of the second week to the end of PCT and run Nolvaldex and clomid like the guys are telling you.
The libidos drop will not come from the drugs to help u on PCT it's gonna come because ur natty lvls of test will be shut off from ur cycle. You should should be fine if u run your pct right and libido should return in a month or two. Everyone is different. Some people dont have probs with libido at all. Just keep ur cycle on track and don't miss adex days or PCT and ur fine.