Test/tren vs test/deca

test/tren vs test deca.

Considering that calorie intake is e safe. How much different would your results be.

I've been looking into a lean bulking cycle which I know can be done on either. 3j will be helping on the diet.

How much difference is their in these compounds regarding gains from a cycle?

I know everyone is different but I was wondering what experience you guys had with these two cycles.
 
Deca/Test is a great cycle, but pales in comparison to tren/test by a mile in my experience. The big tradeoff is sides though; tren has a ton more potential side effects ranging from elevated liver levels to the dreaded tren cough. How many cycles do you have under your belt?
 
Tren is, and can be SUPER effective, but like hw said above^^, it comes with a LOT more potential sides. The cycle I am on right now is actually using a low dosage (200mg a week) of both Deca and Tren E as part of a stack with Sustanon, but the dosages are relatively low..AND I am taking Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and Caber to offset any physical sides. Other than that, I have to admit that the Tren is giving me a BIT of insomnia, but I have been managing that pretty good so far. The Tren cough is nasty, but from a lot of reading that I have been doing, there seems to be a lot of evidence that it related more to impurities in the Tren, an/or nicking a vien on injection that typically leads to the Tren Hack....and even then, it is only for a short time after injection. If you have a "taste" of the gear in your mouth, chances are that you nicked something.....always aspirate...

The plus side though : WOW.....week 3 with Sustanon, Tren, and Deca together, and even my bros at the Gym are looking at me and saying WTH are you on!?
 
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Based on mods here don't fuck with tren till ya see how ur body bodes well with two compounds and deca test is a great start tren in my opioion is a third cycle thing just my opioion
 
Beck, never heard of none running a cycle like that. That is your dosage length and why did you decide to run it the way you did?
 
It's a 14 week cycle. Sustanon 300 @ 900mg/wk taken Mon, Weds, and Fri wk 1-14. Tren E @ 200mg/wk taken Tues wk 2-12. Deca @ 200mg/wk taken thurs wk 3-14. The Tren will harden up the overall gains, and I get the benefits of the synergy created by the combination of the Tren and Deca together with the Test in the Sustanon. Because of the high Test content of the cycle, Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is a must, along with Caber, because of the two 19Nors, but since it is only 200mg of each, sides from them are actually pretty minor (thus far....Only just starting week 4, so last week was my first week with all 3. All/any gains thus far have undoubtedly been just from the Sustanon (sust) and Tren). I like the joint relief that I find I get from Deca, and I love the potency of Tren. The Tren is causing some minor insomnia, but other than that it has been working well for me. My overall body strength has visibly increased (either due to the AAS, or the psychological effects) about 5% in each of my muscle groups, and I can se many more gains coming in the near future.

This is NOT a beginner cycle, thats for sure.....but the gains are impressive even this early. Like I said above: by the end of wk 3, the bros at the Gym were looking at me amazed, and wondering wth I was on! Hell...even I have to admit that there is a noticable improvement on mass and vascularity. I used a sample cycle from William Llewellyn's AAS bible: ANABOLICS as a starting point and developed my dosages from there. Also, since I have used both Deca and Tren seperately on previous cycles, I already know how my body reacts to each individually and decided to "experiment" with the synergy that these 3 compounds can create when combined. This is not a cycle....this is a STACK.
 
One more thing....I almost forgot to mention it, but one of the important reasons that I wanted to have the Deca with the Test & Tren is actually Callogen production. As I am sure most here are aware: Tren and Test will inhibit callogen production (extremely important for Tendons and Ligaments. Deca has the tendency to increase callogen production by as much as 180%. The last thing I need, as I add plates to my bar, is snapping a tendon or some other shit, just because my callogen levels have dropped and my tendons have become brittle....

Here is a snippet of a Study on Deca and Callogen done on Post Menapausal women (who are also prone to tendon damage due to callogen dficiency)....

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Collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women during therapy with anabolic steroid or female sex hormones.

Hassager C, Jensen LT, Pødenphant J, Riis BJ, Christiansen C.

Department of Clinical Chemistry, Glostrup Hospital, University of Copenhagen, Denmark.

The effect of anabolic steroid therapy and estrogen-progestogen substitution therapy on serum concentration of procollagen type III aminoterminal peptide (PIIINP), a measure of collagen synthesis, in postmenopausal women was studied in two double-blind studies: (1) 39 women allocated to treatment with either 50 mg nandrolone decanoate as an intramuscular depot or placebo injections every third week for 1 year, and (2) 40 women allocated to receive either 2 mg 17 beta-estradiol plus 1 mg norethisterone acetate daily or placebo tablets for 1 year. Serum PIIINP was measured every 3 months during the study. Anabolic steroid therapy resulted in a more than 50% increase (P less than .001) in serum PIIINP at 3 months, which thereafter Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - but remained significantly increased throughout the study period. Serum PIIINP showed the same pattern during estrogen-progestogen therapy, but to a lesser degree. We conclude that anabolic steroids stimulate type III collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women, while estrogen-progestogen therapy may have such an effect, but only to a lesser degree.

Collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women during ...[Metabolism. 1990] - PubMed Result
 
I agree with this. I did ( and this seems aggressive but reasonable ) a couple of test-e cycles, then a test/deca. I had no significant sides with higher amounts ( 600 wk ) of deca. With being a 19 nor, this gave me some confidence to try tren-ace. Doing 75mg of Tren ED, and finding the sides minimal if existant at all.

Based on mods here don't fuck with tren till ya see how ur body bodes well with two compounds and deca test is a great start tren in my opioion is a third cycle thing just my opioion
 
This definitely isn't a first cycle but I'm new to the 17 nor but I'm very interested in seeing what then would do for me. I was just surprised with such a low dosage. First time I've heard of anything running something like that. Glad its working for you. I'd like to see how the rest goes for you,
 
Oh! I'll definitely be passing along my findings. If this works out, I will look at increasing dosages in future cycles..
 
Man, you must feel like a beast on that stack, I know I would, shit I feel like an Ox on 750 test per week.
You will be looking like the guy in your avatar shortly!
 
Me? AML all the way...that stuff is dosed strong, and smooth as silk through a 25g pin. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it would pass smoothly through something smaller....probably not a 30g tho :)
 
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