Testosterone Levels 32 yo male...

[benchpress999]

Megatron - I was planning on running clomid only but haven't yet done thorough research and all of this is completely new to me. Is there anything else you believe I should take into consideration? Would Clomid run solely not be sufficient?

APollon - Trying to get a doc on board would mean going down the NHS endo route... p**sing-into-the-wind there. I don't suppose discussing reliable online pharmacies is something that is permitted upon this site?

 

[Megatron28]

Megatron - I was planning on running clomid only but haven't yet done thorough research and all of this is completely new to me. Is there anything else you believe I should take into consideration? Would Clomid run solely not be sufficient?

APollon - Trying to get a doc on board would mean going down the NHS endo route... p**sing-into-the-wind there. I don't suppose discussing reliable online pharmacies is something that is permitted upon this site?

I am NOT an expert on this. But I have seen a lot of guys also include Nolvadex (aka Nolva). There will be plenty of posts throughout the AAS and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) parts of this forum regarding Restarts or post cycle therapy (pct). Search under those terms. Might be worth starting a new thread in the AAS side of the forum asking for advice.

 

[Next Level]

I have considered a re-start but would prefer to have it ordered and oversaw by a doctor or endo ideally.

Next Level - I'm more than happy to share my experience with you as I deal with this. In fact it would be of great benefit to be in contact with someone who is practically in the same boat so to speak! Megatron mentioned a "restart" as perhaps being the best next step for me and I intend to try this as part of my efforts to naturally boost my test levels prior to a blood test I plan to take in the future... have you considered attempting a "restart"?

Megatron28 - I'm extremely grateful that you have taken the time offer me advice. I just wish this level of advice was available through my local NHS practice or given to me by the endo I paid over £1300 (£400 of which I paid personally) to see and take bloods from. I think I'd like to give a "restart" a try before testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Please forgive my ignorance and I will do some research myself but what is a "restart" and what does this consist of?

 

[Megatron28]

I have considered a re-start but would prefer to have it ordered and oversaw by a doctor or endo ideally.

Call IMT. They are supposed to have some great restart protocols that they can get you set up on. They can figure out what will work best for you.

 

[Alpin]

Megatron - I was planning on running clomid only but haven't yet done thorough research and all of this is completely new to me. Is there anything else you believe I should take into consideration? Would Clomid run solely not be sufficient?

APollon - Trying to get a doc on board would mean going down the NHS endo route... p**sing-into-the-wind there. I don't suppose discussing reliable online pharmacies is something that is permitted upon this site?

I hear you bro....
I was in the same predicament. It's just better when you have a pro on board and he tells you what he thinks from labs e.t.c.

 

[Next Level]

Call IMT. They are supposed to have some great restart protocols that they can get you set up on. They can figure out what will work best for you.

Thanks Megatron. I'm in Canada so I don't think I can utilize their services unfortunately. Their rep here is quite knowledgeable from what I've read so that's too bad.

 

[Next Level]

I hear you bro....
I was in the same predicament. It's just better when you have a pro on board and he tells you what he thinks from labs e.t.c.

I agree @Apollon, it's messed up that specialists will just say you are within range when you are exhibiting symptoms that cause dysfunction in your life. The advice, analysis and support on this board has really helped me. My plan moving forward is as follows, keep in mind my first low testosterone test was over a year ago when I was 30 years old, I'm 31 now with many low test symptoms; fatigue, memory fog, adipose (belly) fat regardless of diet and exercise, depression, loss of enjoyment of life, to name a few.

Dec 2013: bloodwork ordered by my endo (only testing testosterone free, total and bioavailable (if I test low enough to qualify, otherwise the test is deemed not necessary - one of the negatives of universal healthcare with a one payer system - I'm in Canada - lab range is 8.4-28.8 nmol/L. I've tested at 11, 12 and 14 nmol/L in the past year or so)
Jan 2014: first cycle; basic 12 week Test E with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and proper Clomid and Nolva post cycle therapy (pct), Raloxifene on hand in case of gyno
Late May 2014: follow up bloodwork with Endo testing only Testosterone, free, total and bioavailable (see above for explanation if it gets tested at all).

My logic behind this is that if I need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I need it and I have to accept it. If after my PCT (basically a restart), I test low enough, boom testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), if not, hopefully I've restarted to a level that eliminates the above symtoms of low t.


Any input or advice is appreciated.

 

[Alpin]

I agree @Apollon, it's messed up that specialists will just say you are within range when you are exhibiting symptoms that cause dysfunction in your life. The advice, analysis and support on this board has really helped me. My plan moving forward is as follows, keep in mind my first low testosterone test was over a year ago when I was 30 years old, I'm 31 now with many low test symptoms; fatigue, memory fog, adipose (belly) fat regardless of diet and exercise, depression, loss of enjoyment of life, to name a few.

Dec 2013: bloodwork ordered by my endo (only testing testosterone free, total and bioavailable (if I test low enough to qualify, otherwise the test is deemed not necessary - one of the negatives of universal healthcare with a one payer system - I'm in Canada - lab range is 8.4-28.8 nmol/L. I've tested at 11, 12 and 14 nmol/L in the past year or so)
Jan 2014: first cycle; basic 12 week Test E with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and proper Clomid and Nolva post cycle therapy (pct), Raloxifene on hand in case of gyno
Late May 2014: follow up bloodwork with Endo testing only Testosterone, free, total and bioavailable (see above for explanation if it gets tested at all).

My logic behind this is that if I need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I need it and I have to accept it. If after my PCT (basically a restart), I test low enough, boom testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), if not, hopefully I've restarted to a level that eliminates the above symtoms of low t.


Any input or advice is appreciated.

I was at 9.2 Nmol/L with enhancement from ADEX too...
With T levels going up to 14 like you have...you are going to get turned away bro...from any Endo.
the endo I saw this week was saying it's normal as it is not below 7.6 nmol/L...
didn't take into account weight gain I had (said it could be from anything), low energy, loss of libido, he didn't even know what ADEX was...or why it was used for TRT.

 

[Next Level]

I was at 9.2 Nmol/L with enhancement from ADEX too...
With T levels going up to 14 like you have...you are going to get turned away bro...from any Endo.
the endo I saw this week was saying it's normal as it is not below 7.6 nmol/L...
didn't take into account weight gain I had (said it could be from anything), low energy, loss of libido, he didn't even know what ADEX was...or why it was used for TRT.

Your endo not knowing what adex even is does not surprise me. Medical procedure seems be be very far behind what is necessary to help men with low t. It must have something to do with the stigma and villianization of steroids in general.

Just had a testosterone test done by a GP as well as E2. Results are:

E2 (Estradiol): <100 (lab reference <150)
Testosterone: 6.5 nmol/L (lab range 8.4-28.6 nmol/L)

This is by far the lowest result I've ever had. Lowest prior was 10 nmol/L.

The most recent test was not fasted and at 11:30am which is later that you would usually test testosterone but given you're highest in the morning and my levels decline during the day I was below the range later in the day even when I tested within range in the morning on previous tests.

I let my endo know about the test, have to see what he says. 6.5 nmol/L is damn low for a 31 year old man.

Anyone feel free to chime in and offer perspective or insight.

 

[Alpin]

6.5 nmol/L is a level of a 95 year old man...
Your E2 is less than 100 ?
I assume the E2 is measured in pmol/L ?

This 6.5 nmol/L was done at 11:30 AM ?
if the lab printout does not say this then don't mention it.
An endo asked me if I worked Night shift....kind of grasping at straws since he wanted to say that 9.2 Nmol/L wasn't officially "low". Probably exhausting all avenues to turn me down. But he knew I already had a script for T...so he wasn't trying to get rid of me totally.
below 8.4 nmol/L is "Low" here....