Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to Cycle and Back to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) again?

[AudioMaker]

TRT to Cycle and Back to TRT again?

Hi all,

I've been having the hardest time getting this "grey area" question answered so I'm going to try asking it a different way...

45yo male, 5'10, 225lbs, stocky endomorph build, does *fitness* workout daily at home.

On self prescribed testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) @ 250mg/week with 12.5mg Aromasin E3D (precautionary).

I'm 10 weeks into this and have lost 15lbs on the scale and my muscles are slightly larger, much harder, and I feel they are primed now for heavier lifting.

Getting ready to hit the gym hard in 2-4 weeks to put on some LBM.

I am planning to up the dose to 500mg/T/wk, add 200mg/Deca/wk, and up the Aromasin to 12.5mg E1D for 12 weeks.

After 12 weeks I will return to the 250mg/T/week and Aromasin 12.5mg/E3D (long term).

Additionals: 1000mg Green Tea extract ED / 3 80mg aspirin ED/ 3-5 "lean" type protein shakes per day (15g protein each)/ GNC "Over 40" DHEA vita-pak ED / Low Calorie diet (will up cal's when I hit the gym hard). I'm running about 1000cal/day right now to lose BF.

Questions:

1. Will adding Deca to the mix for 12 weeks require an adjustment in the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose?

2. Put another way, will adding/subtracting the Deca disrupt a good Test/AI ratio. I know it's suppressive, but I won't be going back to an unsuppressed state anyway.

3. Should I go ahead and up the T/AI/Deca dose now being 4 weeks out from the heavier lifting so that they can reach levels by the time I get there?

4. How would you come off the Deca and higher T/AI dose and back to the maintenance dose of only T/AI? Taper or ?

5. I've never taken Deca and have considered trading what I have (plenty) for EQ. Working more towards the lean/hard than large body. Thoughts?

I welcome your thoughts and adjustments to my program.

Any advice is appreciated.

 

[halfwit]

1) Deca doesn't aromatize easily, but it does affect prolactin levels, so you will want to look into caber or another prolactin agonist like prami to prevent any sides on top of keeping your E2 in check.

2) It's only suppressive to your NATURAL levels, so unless you start having boner problems, your dose is fine imo. (That's actually a pretty conservative dose for deca, so you should be fine.)

3) If you want to bump it up now, go for it - deca does take a few weeks to reach optimal levels in your bloodstream, so that might not be a bad idea.

4) There isn't a need to taper or "pyramid", just do your 12 weeks and come back down to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) levels. Some guys like deca more than eq, some like eq more.

5) It doesn't hurt to give it a try to see how you like it in my opinion. If you decide you don't like deca, try EQ next time.

My .02c

 

[AudioMaker]

Halfwit...always coming to my rescue. I'm gonna owe you a few beers my friend

Yeah, so being new to this, I'm definitely taking my time and trying to gain all the knowledge I can.

It's one of those things where I read and read, then read, and there's so much conflicting info' on the net (or threads that just tangent off).

By your advice Halfwit, I'm now on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (stane) just in case. I'm at the start of fine tuning both a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Cycle ratio of that to Test', and I didn't know if the Deca would change that and influence my "tuning".

For my goals, and after reading 100 Deca threads, I honestly can't decide if it's worth the effort. I mean, is adding 200mg/Deca/wk going to put on muscle more than say...adding 200mg of extra Test' per week?.

Like this... which is better?:

Baseline testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) 250mg/T/wk + 12.5mg E3D Aromasin

Cycle 1: 500mg/T/wk + 12.5mg ED Aromasin + 200mg/Deca/wk

Cycle 2 700mg/T/wk + 12.5mg ED Aromasin

In the above example, the difference between C1 and C2 is the same mg increase of Testosterone vs Deca.

One thing that isn't discussed much on the boards is effectiveness of AAS's vs just using Test'.

So... for the sake of argument, let's say it's a vitamin C deficiency we're looking at. Is the test like dropping horse pills of Vit' C and the Deca like eating an orange in addition to that, or is the Deca going to significantly increase results compared to Test' alone (or more test added)?

I'm not planning on taking the Deca for joint pain, I'm looking for muscle mass, low sides, simplicity, and longer moderate cycles.

Sometimes I think I should just go test only at a higher dose, but I have plenty of Deca tempting me if it's going to make a bigger difference at lower doses than test alone.

(sigh)

I'll eventually get a good routine and stop asking all these questions. Thanks to everyone for their tolerance.

Halfwit... update... GF of 3 years is gone.


Peace.

 

[halfwit]

I'd take those beers, but I'm trying to cut. But always my pleasure!

Hmm, how do I put this... Test is like taking your vitamin C, and then you would add Glucosamine/Chondroitin (deca) to see if you can have any additional benefit. So while you may have similar results from just going with 750mg of test, there are additional benefits of using deca such as more muscle hardness, less "wet" gains and often more joint mobility due to a reduction in cortisol inherent to nandrolone. I swear I remember reading that deca had a slightly higher anabolic ratio than testosterone, but I can't seem to find that off hand at the moment, so I won't comment on that part.

The way I see it: Try both. I personally liked deca's "lubricating" effects, but 750mg of test just makes me feel so amazing! That's the beauty of this game, you can find what fits you best and stick with it until you get the itch to try something new.

Sorry to hear about the GF man. At least you have an output for your emotional energy, and it's far more constructive than at the bottom of a liquor bottle or in a jail cell.


My .02c

 

[AudioMaker]

I'd take those beers, but I'm trying to cut. But always my pleasure!

Hmm, how do I put this... Test is like taking your vitamin C, and then you would add Glucosamine/Chondroitin (deca) to see if you can have any additional benefit. So while you may have similar results from just going with 750mg of test, there are additional benefits of using deca such as more muscle hardness, less "wet" gains and often more joint mobility due to a reduction in cortisol inherent to nandrolone. I swear I remember reading that deca had a slightly higher anabolic ratio than testosterone, but I can't seem to find that off hand at the moment, so I won't comment on that part.

The way I see it: Try both. I personally liked deca's "lubricating" effects, but 750mg of test just makes me feel so amazing! That's the beauty of this game, you can find what fits you best and stick with it until you get the itch to try something new.

Sorry to hear about the GF man. At least you have an output for your emotional energy, and it's far more constructive than at the bottom of a liquor bottle or in a jail cell.


My .02c

So to rephrase...

Deca (assuming it's slightly more anabolic than T) would give slightly better gains than an equal amount of increase in Test', but has more sides, makes you better lubricated, might require an additional supplement, and won't make you feel as "indestructible"?

That's a tough call.

I'll take your advice and do a cycle on it, then to a EQ cycle, then do a 750mg Test only cycle.

This ought to be fun.

BTW... already did my 2 vodka bottle cycles

 

[tkasch30]

dam 250 is a pretty high testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose!

 

[bigirishbstard]

Yeah, the Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is self prescribed, if u look at first post. If u can, get on dr. prescribed Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), I'd do it. It just looks better in case the worst ever happens. I always liked doing 750-800 mg of nan, preferably pp, and same amt with test, preferably prop or sus. I never had trouble with gyno at 800mg/week and loved mixing it with pp cuz it made my joints feel like new. Most ppl don't like shooting eod but I found it easier to keep my lvls stable on that schedule. Just rotate sites, which u should b doing n e ways. Made me laugh. 250/week of self hrt. That's called a little cycle. Good luck.

 

[Moppy1]

I agree with everything Halfwit said, he is a smart bro! I am also in your boat. I am 46 years old and I cycle between testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosage of test (300 mg / week) and a full out cycle for like 20 weeks (600 mg test, with deca and usually 50-100 mg / day or orals, either adrol or var). I notice the biggest punch from the orals in my strength and size.