THE-DET-OAK your thoughts on this labwork please

[swing22hard]

Hello,

I posted on here my blood from last week & would appreciate your take on them. I have been doing 100mg test cyp every 6 days for 1 month & the first two weeks I felt like superman but then the last two weeks I felt like crap with brain fog, no motivation & really could have cared less if I lived or died. It's been 1 1/2 weeks since my last shot & I feel like my test is dropping towards that 2 weeks that I felt great range, I am feeling better now but I am afraid that is going to drop below my feel good spot & feel like crap again soon. This is an emotional roller coaster ride. I have a meeting with my doc today to go over my labs, I am thinking that I need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to keep my E in check.

I would love to know what your thoughts are on this, I tried to PM you but it said your box is full.

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[THE-DET-OAK]

Every thing looks pretty good. It could be or should be 1 of 2 things that is causing you fatigue.

#1 Estrogen - it could be that estrogen is causing this but I am not convinced that is what the problem is. Your E @ 49 is not terrible and in comparison to your testosterone its even less worrisome.

#2 Free T - Your free T is double the limit, and some guys can not handle this. When it gets this high it makes some men feel fatigued. This usually happens when the increase in NO and all the other things that go along with high T levels go up. Now your body can not get rid of the new hormones and causes lethargy. Sometimes donating blood helps but even better would be to try some amino acid supplementation. If you take the right ones this will help your body excrete ammonia, and will help decrease fatigue.

Also maybe try breaking your doses up into 2 shots a week, and maybe even subq for you. I do not suggest this for everyone but this will slow the release into the blood stream, in hopes of keeping your Free T from skyrocketing.

So all in all it sounds more like a problem getting stuff out than in, if that makes sense.

And then if thats not it you need to look into adrenal fatigue, it is very common for men to have 2 problems and fix just one.

Hope this helps

 

[swing22hard]

Every thing looks pretty good. It could be or should be 1 of 2 things that is causing you fatigue.

#1 Estrogen - it could be that estrogen is causing this but I am not convinced that is what the problem is. Your E @ 49 is not terrible and in comparison to your testosterone its even less worrisome.

#2 Free T - Your free T is double the limit, and some guys can not handle this. When it gets this high it makes some men feel fatigued. This usually happens when the increase in NO and all the other things that go along with high T levels go up. Now your body can not get rid of the new hormones and causes lethargy. Sometimes donating blood helps but even better would be to try some amino acid supplementation. If you take the right ones this will help your body excrete ammonia, and will help decrease fatigue.

Also maybe try breaking your doses up into 2 shots a week, and maybe even subq for you. I do not suggest this for everyone but this will slow the release into the blood stream, in hopes of keeping your Free T from skyrocketing.

So all in all it sounds more like a problem getting stuff out than in, if that makes sense.

And then if thats not it you need to look into adrenal fatigue, it is very common for men to have 2 problems and fix just one.

Hope this helps

Thank you for your thoughts on this, this has been going on for 7 months, 7 months ago my total test was 175 & slightly hyperthyroid & my original doc put me on trochies & left unmonitored for months. I had one blood test where my total test was 1900 & I was mentally in a dark hole for months & had absolutely no energy to do anything. I got off the trochies for 1 month & in that month I had about 7 days of being my old self again suspecting it was the testosterone dropping down to my right range & my E dropping as well. Then I found a new doc that specializes in male/femal hormones & she put me on the test cyp & after experimenting for a month & a wonderful first 2 weeks then dropping again the last 2 weeks, I was almost thinking I should do shots every 2 weeks since it seems like my testosterone boosts so fast & I suspect aromatizes in me.

Just trying to find that happy spot which seems to be impossible right now & very frustrating.

I have a meeting with my doc to go over my labs & I think she is considering an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for me but that doesn't seem to be one of your concerns? just my free T

Thanks,
Kurt

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Well please keep in mind I am not a physician

From what I have seen though 49 is not a terrible E2 number, but everyone is different. The problem I see with the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is it is going to make your free t even higher, when E goes down your SHBG goes down as well. Your free t is what is NOT attached to SHBG.

So imagine a dirt bike that won't start, you start giving it tons of gas and you flood it. Some men can not handle a free t that high, it will give them the same symptoms of someone with a really high HEMO.

This is the reason I suggested you look into Sub C injects, it would seem that it would cause a sharper rise in TT and free t, but this is not the case, it actually will cause a slower increase in both, therefore not going as high either.

I am serious about ornithine too, or methylcobalamin. These can really help get rid of the extra load your putting on your metabolic system by injecting exogo T.

Here is a study of men injecting about 50mg subC per week

Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A p... [Saudi Med J. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[swing22hard]

Well please keep in mind I am not a physician

From what I have seen though 49 is not a terrible E2 number, but everyone is different. The problem I see with the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is it is going to make your free t even higher, when E goes down your SHBG goes down as well. Your free t is what is NOT attached to SHBG.

So imagine a dirt bike that won't start, you start giving it tons of gas and you flood it. Some men can not handle a free t that high, it will give them the same symptoms of someone with a really high HEMO.

This is the reason I suggested you look into Sub C injects, it would seem that it would cause a sharper rise in TT and free t, but this is not the case, it actually will cause a slower increase in both, therefore not going as high either.

I am serious about ornithine too, or methylcobalamin. These can really help get rid of the extra load your putting on your metabolic system by injecting exogo T.

Here is a study of men injecting about 50mg subC per week

Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A p... [Saudi Med J. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

What do you mean by Sub C injects? I am not understanding that term. methylcobalamin is B12 right? Sorry for my ignorance, I am trying to understand it all.

 

[fit2beking]

What do you mean by Sub C injects? I am not understanding that term. methylcobalamin is B12 right? Sorry for my ignorance, I am trying to understand it all.

Sub C means subcutaneous which means beneath the skin. Most people inject in the muscles which is IM injections. Oak is suggesting that you may want to look at doing subcutaneous injections...There are some talk that this helps with estrogen spikes as well because of the slower release.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

^^ yes

Plus the Methycobalamin is more about the methyl groups added to the B-12 rather than the B-12 itself. Sometimes it can help your body inhibit aroma naturally, if their was a breakdown in the methylation cycle to begin with.

The common kind of B-12 is Cynocabalamin, which does not nearly have the same amount of benefits.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

*Cynacobalamin

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[totalburnout]

What do you mean by Sub C injects? I am not understanding that term. methylcobalamin is B12 right? Sorry for my ignorance, I am trying to understand it all.

Sub q injections are absorbed more slowly, causes less of a peak and valley type effect. Its just another way that you can help manage the up's and downs. Many on here change their injection schedule, others go the sub q route, and yet others go the sub q route because they feel intramuscular injections are either too damaging (build up scar tissue over time) or too painful.

Men who use hCG, generally all go with a sub q injection.

 

[totalburnout]

What do you mean by Sub C injects? I am not understanding that term. methylcobalamin is B12 right? Sorry for my ignorance, I am trying to understand it all.

Sub q injections are absorbed more slowly, causes less of a peak and valley type effect. Its just another way that you can help manage the up's and downs. Many on here change their injection schedule, others go the sub q route, and yet others go the sub q route because they feel intramuscular injections are either too damaging (build up scar tissue over time) or too painful.

Men who use hCG, generally all go with a sub q injection. The needle that is used with hCG injections is the same that most people use for insulin injections. The viscosity of hCG is much less than the viscosity of T cyp (since the T is an oil based fluid) making the use of a smaller needle much easier.

Youtube has plenty of videos on both subcutaneous and intramuscular injections.