This could be my summer cycle

[supersafado]

I keep tweaking my cycle little by little but I think I've got it. Only thing I wasn't sure on was my tren dosage and the clen. I haven't even used either.

I'm looking at:
test e 250mg ew 1-12
tren e 400mg ew 1-12
Tbol 50mg ed 1-4
Clen week 4-5 and 8-9
Var 75mg Ed 8-11


Hcg 500ui ew 1-12
Hcg 500ui blast 10 days be for PCT starts
Aromasin 12.5mg Eod start to finish. Through PCT.
clomid 100/75/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Prami on hand. Don't plan on running it unless needed. Couldn't find caber

 

[comrade00]

Damn man that is a heavy cycle....post up pics when you're done. You're about to get stupid shredded

 

[riprockwell]

If it is your first Tren cycle, then why don't you run Ace in case you get some uncomfortable side effects. I think that is too much for a cycle. What are your stats. Personally, I would do test, tren, and Anavar (var) or you could do test, tren, and tbol. I don't see a point in running both Anavar (var) and Tbol due to liver toxicity. Also, clen is a waste in my opinion. Tren should keep you plenty of shredded. You don't need any affects from the Clen. My 2 cents.

 

[abusedyam]

holy man, don't run 2 orals on one cycle that's just asking for liver damage

 

[bigkit34]

agree with what they said seems like too much going on at least drop the clen. tren should already have you amped running clen too you won't sleep

 

[supersafado]

Ok. I'm dropping the clen. However I don't know if I completely agree about the tbol and var. Even though Anavar (var) is a C-17 oral, it still has minimal effect on liver values even at higher doses and the tbol won't be run for more than 4 weeks. With a month gap between. I've read tbol shouldn't be run more than 8 weeks in a cycle. That I understand. I still see these 2 dosed how I have them as being reasonsble. Not here to argue more like discuss. Am I wrong for thinking like this? Other guys chime in. I'm still here learning.

 

[Ocdude]

If you're just jump starting with Tbol, why not consider starting with Prop and avoid the liver issues altogether? Every AAS has some sort of negative/side effect on our bodies, so cumulative issues need to be considered carefully when you start combining various compounds throughout a cycle (ie: liver problems take a couple weeks or more to clear, blood pressure takes a while to settle back down...). I'd read everything you can on what your planning and look at the benefit to sides issue.

 

[supersafado]

Yeah that's a good point. I've never tried a shorter ester but it's probably a good idea since its a first go with tren anyway. Still thinking I will finish with the Anavar (var) though. So how much quicker response do you see from prop vs ethenate . I think you guys make a good point.

 

[Ocdude]

I don't have a problem with the Anavar (var) or tbol separately... Though tbol, by my own experience, will definitely throw your lipids over the edge.
You should notice the effects of prop within a week. To me it starts with libido going through the roof and then strength followed by weight and size.
And having never tried tren either, I'm more inclined to lean towards tren A personally because it's a short ester... Def on my potential next cycle list! No matter, you'll find the culture around here is to give your body a chance to experience (aka react) to one compound at a time. Then you'll know what to expect and change when thing go awry.

 

[jkr2020788]

i agree with ocdude's prop suggestion. It might just be because his avatar has just about the most perfect ass ive ever seen though haha

 

[supersafado]

So since I among too used to thee short esters, help me out. Basically I should go with test prop and tren ace in case I have any issues I can drop my cycle. So with tren being a short ester too how soon do you guys usually see weight and strength gains increase? Do you usually see that with in 2 weeks? does it start off slow or is it pretty immediate? How do guys usually dose it? Prop and ace have the same half life don't they?

 

[Ocdude]

Prop and ace are pretty similar in terms of half life, from what I've read... I can't really speak from experience on tren yet.
The beauty of short esters is that you can run test E or P with tren A and drop the tren only if the sides become too obnoxious. Most will say not to run it more than 8 weeks anyway. Tren effects will be noticeable fairly quickly, but it's most commonly used in a cutting cycle. I can't remember dosing off the top of my head... Plenty of posts here on that, read read read I always say. Someone's log may give you some great insight for your own

 

[supersafado]

Yeah, I definitely hate having to pin that often. Tren ace is recommended every day. As much as i don't like the idea of pinning every day having it kick in a week 2 vs week 4 is kind of a nice perk. Do you guys pin eod with prop and ace? I've just heard you need to keep those blood levels stable and to help reduce sides.

 

[riprockwell]

Yeah, I definitely hate having to pin that often. Tren ace is recommended every day. As much as i don't like the idea of pinning every day having it kick in a week 2 vs week 4 is kind of a nice perk. Do you guys pin eod with prop and ace? I've just heard you need to keep those blood levels stable and to help reduce sides.

EOD is fine. On my last tren run, I just injected M,W,F and that worked out great for me. ED injections are not necessary.

 

[bigkit34]

Yeah, I definitely hate having to pin that often. Tren ace is recommended every day. As much as i don't like the idea of pinning every day having it kick in a week 2 vs week 4 is kind of a nice perk. Do you guys pin eod with prop and ace? I've just heard you need to keep those blood levels stable and to help reduce sides.

i've never pinned tren ace ed always eod and my results have always been phenomenal. like rip said eod is fine