total rookie needs help

[confusednewguy]

hey guys. could use a huge help
totally new to this world and trying to wrap my head around it but there is just so much info out there.
31 years old
5'10
220 lbs
workout a couple days a week, never much more due to working multiple jobs
always been involved in sports so i naturally am athletic
not the cleanest diet, and i like to have a couple drinks here and there, but i can clean it up when necessary
found a source in the UK for pretty much everything I could need, I suppose, just need advice.
from what i gather, DNP is the way to go, if dosed correctly. What else do I add to it to help boost fat loss, control side effects, and while I am at it, add some muscle?
If it matters, I'd like to lose 20 lbs. Im not looking to be a bodybuilder, not looking to be a model. just need to get excess weight off midsection and pec's.
thanks in advance guys

 

[Rida5d]

Dnp is poison, do u realize this?

 

[confusednewguy]

technically, everything we put into our body is poison, right down to tap water. Im not saying DNP is definitely the way I would go, I would consider clen as well, but my goal is to have a significant weight loss and I figured the DNP is the most effective in that regard... I've always just figured that at the right dose, it is manageable, in short term increments...

 

[Rida5d]

Yes , for sure.. It's very clever and wise to compare risks from tap water to dnp..
Man , if u gonna go, go with clen , for sure it's safer than dnp..
But am sure u know also that the best thing is to keep diet in check, and do lots of cardio..
Even if u loose weight from a supplement u gain that back in no time if u get to ur bad eating habits , and in no time..
2 times in gym are not enough.. Can u make that 4 at least?

 

[confusednewguy]

i was of course being sarcastic with the comparison of tap water to dnp, and not in an asshole way, but i get that there are heavy side effects and significant health concerns, but everything i have read to date refer to those health concerns in terms of improper dosing and intake. I didnt give a very thorough description of myself I guess. I am currently only working out at that rate because thats what time has permitted in recent months. However, I have worked out significantly more in the past, and for years now, regardless of level of effort, my body composition seems to be the same....always. I've never been tested to see what my testosterone levels are, although I suspect that is a factor.
Clen is on the radar, as well, but pound for pound, they both have side effects and I considered the dnp to be more potent, which is why i originally mentioned it... With supplemental help, in the form of clen, dnp, or other, I will force the additional gym time, despite my hectic schedule, as I had done years ago when I did a growth stack and still had the same busy schedule... I guess I am just looking for some wise sage advice as far as what is the best route, based on my stats, and current workout routine, to safely facilitate weight loss of excess weight, not necessarily cut down for a competition or anything that severe.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Bro you've admitted your diet is poor so you decide to take the dnp route!? Really? Really? Your so determined not to eat less you'd rather take one of the most dangerous supplements around? Really??
Sorry but you sound like a typical guy who refuses to accept responsibility - low t levels, no time to workout
...excuses!!

To lose fat you need to eat less and create a calorie deficit, your "busy lifestyle" isn't an excuse here because eating less requires less time!
Clen will give you a max 10% boost, which means if your diet is poor you wont see results. Even the amazing dnp, what do you think will happen once you stop taking it? That's right your going to gain the fat right back. I've taken dnp before and its much more complicated then just the dosage. You wont last long on it.

I know it sounds harsh but you need to man up and accept responsibility for results - YOU control your diet, YOU control your training, stop looking for excuses. If you need a good diet - check the diet section, especially 3j.

 

[tbonexl]

The classic "I don't want to change my bad habits but take drugs I know nothing about to look good" thread. What did u really think u were going to get for a response posting that? It's a slap in the face. U act like us "juice guys" load up on drugs and workout for a few weeks and look good the rest of the year! Whatever...

 

[confusednewguy]

Bro you've admitted your diet is poor so you decide to take the dnp route!? Really? Really? Your so determined not to eat less you'd rather take one of the most dangerous supplements around? Really??
Sorry but you sound like a typical guy who refuses to accept responsibility - low t levels, no time to workout
...excuses!!

To lose fat you need to eat less and create a calorie deficit, your "busy lifestyle" isn't an excuse here because eating less requires less time!
Clen will give you a max 10% boost, which means if your diet is poor you wont see results. Even the amazing dnp, what do you think will happen once you stop taking it? That's right your going to gain the fat right back. I've taken dnp before and its much more complicated then just the dosage. You wont last long on it.

I know it sounds harsh but you need to man up and accept responsibility for results - YOU control your diet, YOU control your training, stop looking for excuses. If you need a good diet - check the diet section, especially 3j.

I came on here with my question asking for genuine advice. While I respect your opinion, and appreciate the time you've taken out of your day to provide it, man to man, dont be a fucking douchebag about it. Im a single father that works two full time jobs. So for you to sit and be an internet tough guy and tell me about how I make excuses for not working out better, Ill ask you to refrain from the judgement. The entire world doesnt have the luxury to wake up when the mood suits them, saunter into the kitchen, cook up a dozen egg whites, beat off, head to the gym, you get my point. Im not looking for sympathy, not even a little. Im a grown man and I lie in the bed Ive made, so save the Dr.Phil assessment.
As far as the diet, I don't think I said it was poor, just not as clean as most of you seem to be in regards to counting calories, protein intake, carbs, etc. Do I have a couple slices of pizza on a Friday? Shit yeah, once in awhile... Do I have a few beers once in awhile? Shit yeah, I already told you I'm a single father...its stressful. Thats what I meant when I said I can clean it up a little. When you work 80-100 hours a week and get home to the kids on a weeknight, prepping a fully clean meal for the next day (or next few days) isnt always in the cards. Again, dont assume I dont accept responsibility for my situation. Im not some dumb kid on here spouting off. I asked for suggestions and advice, for which I continue to be appreciative. Youve made a few good points, and I thank you. Please don't assume laziness, apathy, or excuse making are always the culprit. Everyone has a different life, you never know what their circumstances are.

 

[confusednewguy]

The classic "I don't want to change my bad habits but take drugs I know nothing about to look good" thread. What did u really think u were going to get for a response posting that? It's a slap in the face. U act like us "juice guys" load up on drugs and workout for a few weeks and look good the rest of the year! Whatever...

What did I think I'd get for a response? Genuine advice, not the classic "juice guy" (youre words, not mine) rhetoric and holier-than-thou bullshit. Thanks for your time, you're an asset to this forum.

 

[tbonexl]

Thank u-

 

[R9]

Dude, You're talking about taking off 20 pounds from 220. So best case you're at least 20% bodyfat?

You can get down below 15% with just a bit of diet sense. Try a standard ketogenic diet: it's muscle sparing, it's dead simple, you'll save time because you won't feel like eating very often. Or try some other diet -Any idiot can diet down under 15% without hiring a dietician or ingesting poison. And if you diet down there you can stay there because you will have trained yourself how to eat.

The OGs here get upset because there are constantly posts wherein people propose doing something harmful to themselves that would be easily and better accomplished by doing something good for themselves.

People are trying to help you, really. Don't take DNP. It's poison.

 

[confusednewguy]

R9, thanks for your input. Let's totally reverse gears then and go the legal route. What would you recommend? I've been on and off protein and BCAA's in my college football days, so I am familiar with them. Would you recommend going back that route? If so, what in particular.
Again, I appreciate all the advice, and although I may not seem like I get it...I do. I know how to eat proper, I know how to develop and implement a workout routine. In full disclosure, I guess I am just looking to cheat a little because I feel like it will keep me focused better. It's like an added incentive, if that makes any sense

 

[R9]

I'm certainly no diet guru but I hate counting calories so I do a couple things that are super easy for me to keep track of:

1. Simple ketogenic style diet. I think this works better on some people than others -like if you've gained weight because your insulin sensitivity has gone to shit this will seem like magic. You don't have to be spot-on, just eat about as much fat as protein (by weight, not calories -I think it's supposed to be 65%protein:35%fat by calories, but 1:1 by the gram is close enough to get going) Never eat any carbs. So easy. Get past the first week doing this and you'll be golden. after a day or two you may get "keto flu" but just power through and you'll feel great. Also you'll be eating like crazy the first week but your body will start using fat instead of carbs and you'll hardly feel like eating at all.

As you go on and if you're training and such you might look into variations like TKD, CKD, Carb Nite, etc. but above is the basics.

Any diet that sounds good to you will work, this is just my favorite because I don't have to worry about counting calories -I just naturally eat less.

2. Intermittent Fasting. AKA "Don't eat breakfast". Two probable reasons this seems to work: Your body is in a "fasted state" longer and has to use its own resources to operate (couple this with a ketogenic diet where your body is trained to use fat for fuel -voila!). And two; it's harder to overeat in eight hours than it is in 16.

I normally control my weight by controlling how early I start to eat. So easy.

As far as drugs go I'd look into an EC stack. So cheap and effective. Available at Walgreen's.

 

[JM750]

OP, don't take the advice you are getting personally. It is just that many here including myself make huge sacrifices to be what we want. There really is no magic pill. Hard work and a good diet and being consistent will get you what you want. I do all my shopping on a sat or sunday. Sunday I cook up a storm for my 6 meals I eat a day. There is a lot of prep and thought that has to goe into it every week. Including just changing up the foods each week, but staying consistent within the boundary of the diet.

Honestly, If you dont have time to do what you need, then it will be impossible to meet your goals. This is just my opinion. Nothing comes easy. And with that takes time and a lot of effort.

 

[Rida5d]

I came on here with my question asking for genuine advice. While I respect your opinion, and appreciate the time you've taken out of your day to provide it, man to man, dont be a fucking douchebag about it.

What did I think I'd get for a response? Genuine advice, not the classic "juice guy" (youre words, not mine) rhetoric and holier-than-thou bullshit. Thanks for your time, you're an asset to this forum.

Sir, u for sure have an attitude .. That's what those people get for trying to help you out?
Or u gettin little aggressive cuz their advice didn't didn't go well with what you wanted to hear?
U saying you are looking for a good advice and when u hear one u getting aggressive and u call people names..
You are not looking for advice.. U r looking for approval.. I'm afraid that wont happen here at this website..
Finally, I think u ll do what u wanna do regardless wt others would advice.. So good luck in ur plans.