Training......the wrong/right way???

TechChemY

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alright guys......My room mate (DocBanner) and I got into a discussion this morning about the better way to train.

My point was that I believe strongly in pyramiding up with sets: for example:

Bench:
135 x 10 warm up
185 x 10 warm up
225 x 10 working
245 x 6 working
265 x 4 working
225 - failure.....

(this was my last routine)

I believe that you should get your muscles up to par with heavy weights and work til failure on the last set (a burn out set).

However, Doc says that he prefers to do straight sets. for example.

Bench:
135 x 10 warm up
185 x 6 warm up
225 x 3 warm up
265 - failure
265 - failure

He says..."why tax the muscle and wear it out by pyramiding up. With pyramiding you take away from your strength set @ 265."

I can understand what he's saying but I would think that you'd get much more work done if you pyramid up to quite a heavy set.


What do you guys think??? What would you prefer...or...what would you suggest??? we basically came to the conclusion that some ways work better for others at certain points in their training.
 
what I'm basically trying to say is that I think pyramding up is a good thing, but only to warm up the muscles. What I'm trying to explain to tech is that he starts his working sets to low, and they just take away from his heavy sets that will stimulate the growth. he burns himself out too much b4 he gets to what is "heavy" for him, so he just ends up doing a few reps with his heavy weights (where as if he were fresh and doing them he be getting 5-8 reps with the previously meintioned "heavy" weights.)

doc banner
 
i actually agree with both of you, but there isnt just one style of training. it is always good to mix things up. as far as warming up, i dont see the point in pyramiding to warm up, your just warming up, not trying to actually work the muscles too hard,so why increase weight, start doing the working sets.

Post your whole chest day routine...
 
You can't choose 1 training method over the other. Everyone responds differently to different training. If you method works best for you .. Stick with it. Personally I don't use a final burnout set. I don't think it will do a whole lot for growth. I prefer something like this:
100 X 12
120 x 10
130 x 8
140 x 6

I try and keep reps between 6 - 12 and go to failure on the last set.
 
well actually I've changed my routine a lot since we trained together.

I train with in a 3 day split.....
1. chest, tri's, front/medial delts
2. back, bi's, rear delts
3. legs.

but I switch it up every other time....
for instance...

Mon.....Chest:

Bench:
135 x 10 warm up
185 x 10 warm up
225 x 10 working
245 x 6 working
265 x 4 working
225 - failure.....

then incline flies:
30 x 10
35 x 10
40 x 10

followed by some french presses...push downs...dumbell press...and lateral raises for tri's and delts.

tues is back, bi's and rear delts
wed is legs

Thurs......Chest (again)

Incline press:
185 x 10
205 x 8
225 x 6

Flat dumbell bench:
80's x 10
100's x 8
110's - failure

followed by some close grips...push downs....military.....more lateral raises for tri's and delts.

how about you?
 
i alternate between dumbbell presses and barbell presses everyweek, here is a sample i guess:

Dumbbell Presses:
70 x 12 warm up
80 x 10 warm up
105 x 10 working
115 x 8 working
120 x 5 working
130 x 4 or failure

then i move onto incline barbell presses:

135 x 10
155 x 10
185 x 8
225 x 4

i too out all single joint movements like flies and stick to heavy compound movements, next i venture to the power rack, set up the pins so i casn do some half presses and partials. then i will do some isos to finish it off.
 
I remember those damn iso's you had me doing.....that's the first time my entire chest has actually cramped up.
 
your trainig style depends on your goals and your body. obviously, powerlifters train much different than bodybuilders. and obviously, someone with lumba problems will train differently as well. find what wokrs for you, btu dont forget to change it up every so often
 
grafix-gnc said:
your trainig style depends on your goals and your body. obviously, powerlifters train much different than bodybuilders. and obviously, someone with lumba problems will train differently as well. find what wokrs for you, btu dont forget to change it up every so often

that's worth repeating....we agreed later that diff things work better for diff people, nothing works all the time and almost everything works at one point for someone, but never forever
 
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